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Anonymous said…

The links are all still there. Check your browser, douchebag.

Word verification is ‘flayinge’. That’s what lefties do to you every time your stupid enough to write a fucking post.

7:42 PM

Anonymous said…

Oh, and half your links don’t even work. Who reads ‘the currency lad’ any more.

7:50 PM

J F Beck said…

Yes, the link is still there but the wording has changed with Jeremy no longer claiming to write at Grods.

7:57 PM

Anonymous said…

Exciting stuff, Becky. You think maybe he no longer writes at Grods?

7:59 PM

J F Beck said…

Don’t know; don’t care, but some people will. You for one.

8:02 PM

Margo’s Maid said…

This is of concern. The blogosphere requires a certain amount of fuckwittery so that it may achieve balance.

8:03 PM

Anonymous said…

There’s an ongoing GFC, and a scandal enveloping Rudd as we speak.

But Jeremy Sear has changed the wording of his links bar. Stop the press.

8:08 PM

J F Beck said…

So stop getting involved in trivialities and go comment about issues that matter.

8:11 PM

VB said…

It looks like Jeremy is the only one to be severing links: the Grods lot still have him as a sometimes contributor on their About page.

8:57 PM

Mehaul said…

Gutless and I mean the extremely GUTLESS anonymous still flings poo from the safe distance of a no name anonymous turd. What a jerk!!

Angry, childish, luke warm, friendless, lonely, vapid, lonely, pathetic, underperformed, surrounded by fools – ANONYMOUS.

Keep up the predictable waffle idiot. Your predicability is becoming the best humour on this blog. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

9:00 PM

Anonymous said…

Beck posts 7.13 and within 30 mins some sad sack dribbles his attack on it. It’s not that the blogs would miss them if they all just stopped blogging, Margo, it’s that they would lose all reason to live.

9:21 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

This is of concern. The blogosphere requires a certain amount of fuckwittery so that it may achieve balance.

Don’t worry, Margot’s Maid, while you’ve still got your oars in the water then I think we’ve met our quota.

Beck, Jeremy was only a very occasional contributor to Grods and he’s probably got his hands full running his own blog and contributing to Pure Poison. Only yesterday he was commenting actively at Grods in response to a post of mine. Hardly a “link severed” – unless you’re grasping for a story that ain’t there.

9:42 PM

Margo’s Maid said…

So long as you meet your quota, Britches.

Jez often does have his hands full, now you mention it – or at least he tries very hard.

10:06 PM

Anonymous said…

With friends like you, Gread, who needs enemies?

12:09 AM

Anonymous said…

Interestingly the dearth of PP content coincides with an article by ex Crikey hack, Christian Kerr flaying the worst of the blogsphere.

No surprise, however, that Tobias ignored some stinging Kerr appraisals clearly aimed at PP. Ouch.

1:17 AM

nic said…

Thanks for the heads up Anon, the article by Kerr was great. I liked the Lord of the Flies analogy, though this particularly stuck out:

Then there is the group that provides the cyberworld’s answer to the sad sacks you see on the street holding intense conversations with no one in particular.

Thanks to the marvels of the modern age they can now call themselves “citizen journalists”

I wonder if Brid git has any ideas as to who he may have been talking about?

8:56 AM

Anonymous said…

Anon 1:17 the Kerr’s phrase “online shit-sheet, the internet equivalent of the anonymous lies, smears and distortions ” is an accurate discription of Jeremy Sear’s writings.

9:28 AM

Bridgit Gread said…

Interestingly the dearth of PP content coincides with an article by ex Crikey hack, Christian Kerr flaying the worst of the blogsphere. No surprise, however, that Tobias ignored some stinging Kerr appraisals clearly aimed at PP. Ouch.

And where exactly does Kerr specifically name PP or even impute that he’s referring to it? Sounds to me like he’s referring to any number of different blogs. I think you’re engaging in a bit of wishful interpretation there, Anon.

Kerr does make a couple of good points with which I agree, particularly that the Australian blogosphere is too focused on the mainstream media. Unlike the high quality blogging of JF Beck, which is instead too focused on bloggers who are too focused on the mainstream media.

12:17 PM

Anonymous said…

Gread, get on it.

You’re boring.

12:38 PM

J F Beck said…

Yes, I can only hope my blogging is someday as relevant and meaningful as Bridgit’s. You know, really highbrow stuff like pointing to the prominence of Stephanie Rice’s pudenda (man-pouch alert!) or Bridgit’s warning to prospective peggers that her mouth farts and shits render her dangerous.

1:41 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

I wasn’t talking up my own, I was talking yours down. Is this the only way you can respond to criticism: by trying to smear those who are criticising you?

You’re ultimately a pretty feeble character, aren’t you Beck.

Anon@12.38PM, back to Iain, he’s eagerly awaiting your comments.

2:03 PM

J F Beck said…

You’ve got some strange activity going on in your head there Bridgit; linking to your writing is not an attempt to smear.

If I wanted to smear you I’d fabricate something about you; like referring to you as a stalker.

2:22 PM

cosmicjester said…

“Gread, get on it.

You’re boring.”

Ohhh Snap, Bridget you’ve been served.

2:33 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

cosmic, it’s painful visiting here and being flayed by Beck’s vacuous rejoinders and the frog chorus of his anonymites. It’s like diving into a vat of angry cotton wool.

2:53 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Whoops, silly me, cue biting retort:

“Bridgit cotton wool is an inanimate object, how can it be “angry”? You fail.”

2:54 PM

Iain Hall said…

Bridgit
What is painful, in a side splitting laughter sort of way is YOU complaining about anonymous commentators when you have so often said how much you support anonymous posting on the net.

3:00 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Where am I complaining, Iain? While there are Google-happy Scotch-posting housebound weirdos like you floating around, then there’ll always be people who can do nothing else but post anonymously.

3:12 PM

Iain Hall said…

You are clearly complaining in your comment time stamped “2.53” on this thread and also you were whining about it on the previous thread where you said:
This is what you encourage, Beck, the bilious, vexatious character assassins sniping from behind their anonymity.

10:07 PM
Now that is two strikes, that I have noticed, and I am sure that if I searched other threads here at Beck’s blog that I would find more whining about anonymous posters from you.
There is word for your obvious confusion on the issue of anonymity and it starts with “H”.:lol:

3:34 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

I know you migrants have difficulties with the English language, “Iain”, so I’ll make it clear for you: I was not complaining at 2.53pm in this thread. And my remarks in the other thread were in relation to a different matter altogether, i.e. defamatory imputations about someone who blogs under their real name.

Of course since you don’t blog under your real name, Ian, and you certainly don’t work, the magnitude of making such allegations has probably escaped you.

3:44 PM

Iain Hall said…

Bridgit
And my remarks in the other thread were in relation to a different matter altogether, i.e. defamatory imputations about someone who blogs under their real name.

More hypocrisy from you! You did precisely what you complain of others doing here time and time again like the way you attacked Tim Blair and Andrew Bolt

Of course since you don’t blog under your real name, Ian, and you certainly don’t work, the magnitude of making such allegations has probably escaped you.

“Iain” is my real name, it appears upon all of my legal documents, my driving licence, my marriage certificate, the deeds to my house, now just because you found it spelt incorrectly while you were stalking me does not support you bullshit claim here. But then such claims are typical of you, you find one piece of so called ” evidence” that fits your conspiracy theory and it will be “holy writ” forever.

4:06 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

now just because you found it spelt incorrectly while you were stalking me…

Can I borrow that ‘H’ word you were throwing around before? I think I might need it.

4:11 PM

ARIII said…

Actually Brigit,

You were complaining about anonymous posting. For some reason, it is a common complaint among the less intelligent hangers on at club Sear.

You are against racism – unless it suits your purpose to use racist language.

You are against bigotry – unless it suits your purpose to employ bigotry.

You support anonymous comments – unless the anonymous person doesn’t support your viewpoint.

You are against the demeaning treatment of sex workers – except when you are stuck for an insult.

You support the rights of the unemployed – unless the unemployed person disagrees with you.

I don’t think there is anyone among your crowd who doesn’t regularly behave this way.

4:13 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

ARIII, I see it’s sundown and someone has unlatched your coffin. And you’ve begun by providing a comprehensive outline of what I’m ‘for’ and ‘against’, though much of it you’ve gotten utterly and hopelessly wrong. Then again, I don’t think there is anyone among your crowd who doesn’t regularly behave this way.

4:20 PM

ARIII said…

Bridgit,

If you think it is blogging under a fake name for someone called Ian Hall to blog under the name Iain Hall then you are crazy, no two ways about it.

You may as well complain that every Tom, Dick and Harry are liars too.

4:23 PM

J F Beck said…

Careful guys, make Gread any crankier and she’ll revert to the “defamatory imputation” fall-back bullshit.

4:24 PM

ARIII said…

‘ARIII, I see it’s sundown and someone has unlatched your coffin.’

A vampire insult, what the hell?

‘though much of it you’ve gotten utterly and hopelessly wrong.’

So your excuse is that you always behave like a racist bigot? That the times when you proclaimed a progressive viewpoint where the times you were actually lying? I don’t think you’ve thought this through.

‘Then again, I don’t think there is anyone among your crowd who doesn’t regularly behave this way.’

Ah yes, the Pee Wee Herman defence. ‘I know you are but what am I?’. I’m not surprised that this is the best argument you can muster.

4:29 PM

ARIII said…

Is that defamatory imputation as in suggesting that a female Olympic swimmer is actually a male drug cheat?

4:31 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

ARIII, as has been stated many times before, nobody really cares that Iain Hall is a migrant, a stay-at-home husband, a grammatical incompetent or even a Queenslander. But while he continues to sling barbs at others, as in his laughable post today, then he’s fair game for any kind of mockery.

I wasn’t aware of the “Pee Wee Herman” defence, but since you’re obviously such a big fan of his, I defer to your greater knowledge of the subject.

Beck, how does it feel when you put pissy little posts together to slur someone’s reputation – and you then claim that no, sir, you were not actually trying to slur their reputation – I was just, you know, blogging and stuff. Does it leave a sour taste in your mouth?

4:36 PM

Mica said…

I know you migrants have difficulties with the English language

Whaaa??

Aren’t you leftie Moonbats supposed to beating up the people who grew up here and defending MIGRANTS to the teeth??

Geez, Bridge. Pick a line and stick with it.

4:40 PM

Iain Hall said…

Sling Barbs at others EH?

What is this
and this

When it comes to “slinging barbs” You have been very handy with the throwing arm yourself Bridgit , as have your pals at Grods, now that is something to celebrate on planet leftard but when I give you a little of your own back you whine like a baby and all but suggest that I am the blogging Anti Christ. You once again deserve to be called the hypocrite that you most certainly are on the issue of blogging behaviour.

4:49 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Mica, my own position on immigration has never shifted. The great contradiction with Iain Hall is that he’s forever calling for limits on migration when he himself is a migrant, hence I and others like to skewer him with his own crap.

Iain you are not the blogging Antichrist, you are a very naughty boy.

5:05 PM

Anonymous said…

Bridgit, I have to give you credit. If I were a liar, fraud and hypocrite like you I’d not move on to racism. People might think less of you.

5:06 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

I guess I could always post anonymously and, like, absolve myself from responsibility for what I say.

5:08 PM

Anonymous said…

Yeah an alis is really different.

5:09 PM

nic said…

Well done Bridgit, a feminist who tells men to stick their hands down a woman’s pants to see if she is a drug taking transvestite. How envious you all are. Judging by your photos, I no longer wonder why.

5:12 PM

Anonymous said…

alias*

5:16 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Nic, you should hop across to The Onion, they’re running a story about Shawn Johnson being put down after breaking her leg in a gymnastics meet. It’s diabolical, man, what are those lunatics thinking? Get over there and vent your spleen.

Anon, my alis (sic) has been in use for three years and has never been used by anyone else – except for Iain, when he was pretending to be me on his lesbian Nazi blog.

5:18 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Anyway, nice fun playing but dinner is beckoning – we’re having rib eye with caramelised balsamic onions, good leftist fare. Ciao.

5:20 PM

Anonymous said…

Do you even know what an alias is?

5:21 PM

nic said…

Bridgit: oh, quick look over there….

So, as Pauline said, please explain.

5:45 PM

Iain Hall said…

Bridgit
I guess I could always post anonymously and, like, absolve myself from responsibility for what I say.

Yeah like you are posting under your real name now…
Hypocrite

5:58 PM

J F Beck said…

For those unfamiliar with the saga, Bridgit’s “defamatory imputations” crapola refers to this, where implied threats of legal action — much condemned by Grodsters when pursued by a righty — were leveled.

Notice how Gread then moved from “defamatory imputations” to “pissy posts”?

Like a nagging rectal itch Gread is best ignored: keep scratching at it and it won’t go away.

6:29 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Do you even know what an alias is?

I’m not sure you do, since you had difficulty typing it.

Yeah like you are posting under your real name now… Hypocrite

Sure thing, Iain (who formerly masqueraded as a female calling ‘herself’ “niceperson”)

Like a nagging rectal itch Gread is best ignored: keep scratching at it and it won’t go away.

Suffer from many of those do you JF?

6:42 PM

Anonymous said…

Bridgit, you are a thug and a liar. Get used to that fact.

6:51 PM

J F Beck said…

Got one right now, Bridgit. Lucky it’s only superficial.

6:52 PM

J F Beck said…

Bridgit is, like most of the Grodsters, a try-hard thug.

6:56 PM

Sergei Nechaev said…

And Beck is just a try-hard Blair.

10:01 PM

Iain Hall said…

Bridgit Gread
When the lie about my real name fails you drag out another falsehood:

Sure thing, Iain (who formerly masqueraded as a female calling ‘herself’ “niceperson”)

While I readily admit that when I first started blogging I used the pseudonym “Niceperson” (for about three months) I never specified my gender at all YOU assumed that I was a woman because I wrote about domestic life and raising my children. This was simply because despite your “progressive” pretensions you can’t accept the reality of a man doing a role swap with his partner and taking over the more traditional female role in the family.
Now if you want to raise the issue of people pretending to be a gender other than their own there is the little matter of your own pretence at my blog that you were a male English teacher. You kept up that pretence for about two years until I rumbled you So once again you proves that your only “talents” are that of lying and deceiving for malicious purposes. which sort of sums up your blogging “career” doesn’t it?
Readers with the intestinal fortitude to get through the entire correspondence (that I link to above) will undoubtedly notice how you tried at first to bully me and then you tried to blackmail me once your sock puppet was discovered, which shows just how far down below the moral high ground you actually stand.

4:06 AM

Anonymous said…

Bridgit. You really need a values check. It is not progressive to use terms for sex workers as an insult. It is not progressive to be critical of families who role swap. It is not progessive to use migrant as an insult. Notice that neither Blair nor Bolt would ever make statements like that? That’s because the left don’t have a monopoly on progressive values.

6:31 AM

Anonymous said…

Bridgit has no values, well no fixed values anyway.

10:11 AM

Bukharin said…

No, Iain did indeed pretend to be a housewife under the pseudonym of ‘niceperson’, and even said as much to his erstwhile comrade and ally, Dave Tan, at the time.

Iain Hall – liar, stalker, criminal, bully.

10:42 AM

J F Beck said…

Bukharin, I do not know the full history of the ongoing Iain Hall vs Grods et al war but am confident that both sides are guilty of monumental lapses in judgement. Regardless, the continual bickering is of no interest to me.

Further, unless you can provide proof that Iain hall is a convicted criminal I am forced to conclude that your claim he’s a stalker and criminal is bullshit.

11:00 AM

Mica said…

Really gonna have to get Bridge a Moonbattery For Dummies manual.

What the hell are you doing eating rib-eye?? It’s COW, Bridge. Methane-belching and farting, rainforest-destroying, transported-by-carbon-spewing-trucks, industrial slaughterhouse COW.

If global warmening had a face, it would be a cow.

Shame, Bridge, shame.

11:58 AM

Bridgit Gread said…

Mica, and it was delicious, cooked medium-rare and so tender it was falling off the bone. There’ll be no membership for me at the Vegan Club, I’m afraid, but I guess if cows are contributing to GW through methane production, at least I’ve contributed to the demise of a single unit…

Iain, you might not have actually said you were a woman but nevertheless you pretended to be one by playing along and not correcting those who presumed you were female. A lie by omission is still a lie, Iain. Imagine all those people chatting with ‘niceperson’ in good faith, thinking she was a lovely housewife, when in reality she looked something like this.

12:08 PM

M. Barnes said…

Bridgit – do you have proof that Iain Hall is a convicted criminal?

Anything at all?

Or is this yet another leftist smear and sneer?

12:56 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

As best as I can recall that allegation was made by ‘Bourbon Boy’, Iain’s own pet stalker, whose blog is now closed. I’ve never seen any evidence that Iain has any kind of criminal record, nor have I claimed that he has.

1:11 PM

Anonymous said…

Bridgit, you and your friends making sexist assumptions does not make Iain a liar.

2:45 PM

Anonymous said…

I knew your dishonesty would come to haunt you Bridgit.

2:55 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Fair go, it’s not like I’ve pretended by a lawyer – or done anything I’ve had to appologise (sic) for…

3:16 PM

Anonymous said…

I just read through Hall’s link. Bridgit, or whatever you name is, you are a complete psychopath. You are actually scary.

3:47 PM

alex said…

“I just read through Hall’s link. Bridgit, or whatever you name is, you are a complete psychopath. You are actually scary…”

Yeah, I’m a bit concerned too. I thought Bridgit was just another grods loon – but better than most. Hell, I enjoyed observing her feisty counterattacks on Beck’s blog here, and I was even a little – dare I say it – admiring, though I strongly disagreed with her.

But for Bridgit to rant and rave about Beck’s alleged “Anonymites”, when she herself is guilty of creating an entirely new persona (including a different sex, no less) just so she can troll on other people’s blogs – well, that’s a bit rich. An online nom de web is one thing, but hiding or altering your identity over and over just to slip past the moderator – for years – is another entirely.

And the fact that she seems to know all about Iain’s personal life, including certain numbers with special attached meanings, what pornography he (allegedly) enjoys, the contents of his Hotmail inbox, etc, is just plain scary.

Note – this is not a defence of Iain Hall or any of his past actions.

4:51 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Indeed it isn’t, Alex, but you shouldn’t read too much into that stuff posted by Hall. Once of his common practices is to send his ‘adversaries’ unsolicited e-mails goading them into a long-winded exchange about who’s right and who’s wrong. He then publishes the whole thing online, adding his own slant. Hall can be fun to needle and sometimes I play along, as I did here. Other times I just ignore him.

The only suggestion I make is that you take anything Hall writes or suggests with a grain of salt, if not a whole cupful of the stuff. He’s quite adept at editing and selective quoting to make himself out to be Saint Iain, all-round good guy and victim of heartless lefty bullies.

5:53 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

This article at Encyclopedia Dramatica recounts the full exploits of Iain Hall, which I can’t be bothered repeating here. He naturally denies it all but it’s well referenced and the quotations are legitimate.

5:56 PM

Anonymous said…

Like I said, psychopath.

6:20 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Yeah, look out fake-lawyer, I might come after you next, Wolf Creek-style. You’d make a good head-on-a-stick.

6:28 PM

J F Beck said…

Betcha every single reader of this thread has changed and strengthened his passwords.

6:38 PM

Anonymous said…

Sorry, I don’t get the fake lawyer reference?

7:30 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Too late for you, Beck, my Romanian associates and I have already cracked your password (‘hornyloewey02′, nice touch).

7:53 PM

Anonymous said…

Bridgit, I wouldn’t joke about that stuff. Seeing that your email chain with Iain appears to confirm that one of your more marxist commentators hacked into Iain’s email and stole information. And yet he appears to still be welcome to post comments on your blog and your friends blogs. So really, not something to joke about.

5:12 AM

alex said…

“This article at Encyclopedia Dramatica recounts the full exploits of Iain Hall, which I can’t be bothered repeating here…”

Yeah, okay, Bridgit. As I said, I’m not defending anything he’s done. And that link has not taught me anything that I didn’t know already.

But if the email exchange between you and Iain that he documents is accurate (and I haven’t seen you deny it), then you’re not much better. A little less creepy, perhaps, but still bordering on the ‘stalker’-side of things. Knowing the contents of his Hotmail inbox, for example, or what pornography he enjoys, or repeating to him numbers that (apparently) hold a special meaning, just to show him he’s being ‘watched.’ What’s the difference between that and the obsessive behaviour that you so rightly deplore in Iain?

Which are you – pot or kettle?

6:15 AM

ARIII said…

alex,

If true, those actions certainly amount to stalking.

As Beck suggests, its probably best to ignore her until she finds someone else to rant at.

9:57 AM

Bridgit Gread said…

Alex, it’s true that Iain’s e-mail account and blogs were hacked and information from them was passed around amongst a circle of people. Yes, this was wrong and yes, I use some of the info to rib him in this e-mail exchange. It’s not at all nice, I agree.

Then again, unlike Iain I have never suggested that I am ‘niceperson’. I claim no moral high ground when it comes to serving up to him what he has previously delighted in serving up to others: offering bounties for identities, contacting employers, accusing individuals of professional incompetence, attempting to incite identity fraud, feeding personal info to slimeballs like Andrew Landeryou, mocking those with depression, laughing heartily at marriage breakups, and so on, and so on, and so on.

10:02 AM

Anonymous said…

Bridgit,
You’re a fool. Hacking an email account is illegal and if you were involved you’ve just opened yourself up to all sorts of crap should someone contact the police.
Really, who gives a shit what someone else has done. All you’ve done is degraded yourself and lowered your standards less than the person your complaining about. That’s not something to be proud of.

10:48 AM

ARIII said…

No wonder Jeremy Sear is cutting himself off from these nutters.

As a Barrister he would have a lot to answer for if it came out that he was involved in any way in the hacking of private email accounts as part of some stupid internet feud.

10:48 AM

Bridgit Gread said…

I see we’ve moved from “someone hacked Iain’s e-mail” to “Bridgit and Jeremy were involved in the hacking of Iain’s e-mail”. What exactly is your evidence for these potentially defamatory allegations?

11:42 AM

Anonymous said…

“Yes, this was wrong and yes, I use some of the info to rib him in this e-mail exchange. It’s not at all nice, I agree.”

Using information obtained illegally is itself illegal. Bridgit, I’d be hoping that Iain never goes to the Police with any of this stuff.

11:43 AM

Anonymous said…

“I see we’ve moved from “someone hacked Iain’s e-mail” to “Bridgit and Jeremy were involved in the hacking of Iain’s e-mail”. What exactly is your evidence for these potentially defamatory allegations?”

What allegations? Bridgit, you’ve admitted that you’ve used information obtained from Iain’s email account without his permission.

Jeremy hasn’t used that information from what we know. The statement from ARIII was simply that no wonder Jeremy is moving to distance himself from your crowd, if this is what they get up to. The point that ARIII was making was that he would not want to be unwittingly mixed up in this type of stuff (you know, if someone was to email him the contents of someone else’s email system).

Go back and read the comment, you see no-one is suggesting at all that Jeremy is involved in any of this stuff. In fact, the imputation is the exact opposite of that.

11:48 AM

Iain Hall said…

Bridgit
You boast that THR hacked my email and blogs and YOU admit that there was group of you who shared the spoils of that crime right here in this comment thread ARIII does not even suggest that Jeremy had anything to do with it. You are trying to apply spin here because you have publicly admitted criminal behaviour.

11:49 AM

Anonymous said…

I wonder how THR squares hacking people’s accounts (if true) with his claimed marxist ethics?

11:52 AM

Anonymous said…

When I first checked out the Random Brainwave comments thread that is linked to above (the one with Bridgit’s comment) – I’m pretty sure that the first Iain Hall comment linked to Iain’s home page. It now goes to the idiotic ED page.

If I’m right on this, what nasty piece of work changed the link across?

12:17 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

It’s already been put to you elsewhere, Iain, that THR did not ‘hack’ your e-mail, though he admits to having accessed it.

As for “using information obtained illegally”, where and how has it been “used”? I mentioned Iain’s apparent porn fetish in private correspondence, which he himself chose to publish. None of the other stuff mentioned by me came from his e-mail account.

You folks are pretty high and mighty on the subject of hacking. Especially considering that when it happened to Jeremy, the most stringent condemnation that Beck could muster was that he used insecure passwords and was “whining” about the whole thing, while one of your number in comments accused him of making the whole thing up.

12:20 PM

Iain Hall said…

I did not link to the ED page when I commented on Chuck’s post that looks like the work Of “John Surname” the administrator of that site.
They are all nasty pieces of work.

12:27 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Whereas you, Iain, are as pure as the driven slush.

12:31 PM

Anonymous said…

“It’s already been put to you elsewhere, Iain, that THR did not ‘hack’ your e-mail, though he admits to having accessed it.”

Hacked/accessed it without authorisation. Sorry, what is the real difference? I’m not sure if “hack” has a particular meaning, but certainly most people would use it in this circumstance.

“As for “using information obtained illegally”, where and how has it been “used”? I mentioned Iain’s apparent porn fetish in private correspondence, which he himself chose to publish.”

That is using it. You mention something that came from Iain’s private email system. Just because it is to Iain personally, doesn’t mean that you are not using it.

12:31 PM

Anonymous said…

“Whereas you, Iain, are as pure as the driven slush.”

That may very well be the case, but changing comments by directing people’s homepage to a attack-site like ED is very low, wouldn’t you agree? Simple yes or no answer would suffice.

12:34 PM

Iain Hall said…

Bridgit you are lying once again the first mention of my recieving an email News letter from “Abby Winters” was made by your pal “Fang” here a little while before I made any mention of it in my own blog. Now as to say such a thing would have required knowledge of my private email accounts that must mean that he is one of your fellow accomplices.

12:47 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Anon: no lower than setting up a Nazi-lover site falsely purporting to belong to another blogger, then putting a link to it on your blogroom.

Iain: maybe that was where I saw it then. But as I have said to you before, several times in fact, I have no idea who ‘Fang’ and/or ‘Bourbon Boy’ are, nor do I act in concert with them nor they with me.

While you’re here, would you care to confirm that I e-mailed you several times in the wake of your ‘hacking’ to declare that it went too far and to apologise.

12:53 PM

Anonymous said…

Measuring oneself against a Nazi blogger? Bridgit you shouldn’t set your standards so high.

1:06 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

You’re right – the Nazi blogger was only Iain.

1:13 PM

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1:14 PM

Iain Hall said…

I don’t have a “blog room” Bridgit
How many times did you insist that you did not care about the “Bridgit Gread” blogs
like you do here
and here
and you are lying about first hearing about “Abby Winters” from “fang” because your mention of it in the email chain I linked to earlier was made before Fang’s comment that I cited earlier.

1:18 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Whether I care or not is irrelevant: the bigger question is why did you set them up, Iain, and then refuse to admit having done so?

C’mon sport, you’re big on finger-pointing and making accusations of dishonesty. Answer the question about our own incapacity for making honest admissions.

1:25 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

our = your

1:26 PM

Iain Hall said…

No Bridgit the bigger question is why are you still whining about something you so often claimed not to care about.

1:47 PM

ARIII said…

Bridgit,

You obviously believe Iain has done you wrong. If true, that reflects badly on Iain.

However, you have to take responsibility for your own actions. You have beclowned yourself on this thread with your bizarre rants against migrants and men without outside employment (amongst other silly comments). You have also admitted to possibly illegal activities involving Iain’s email account.

These actions reflect badly on you, not Iain. Wouldn’t you rather be seen to be behaving better than someone you dislike so much? Particularly when you also think they are foolish and silly.

2:09 PM

ARIII said…

‘Jeremy hasn’t used that information from what we know.’

Exactly.

However, I would like to apologise to anyone who was offended by my suggestion that Jeremy was displaying common sense.

2:11 PM

Anonymous said…

“However, you have to take responsibility for your own actions. You have beclowned yourself on this thread with your bizarre rants against migrants and men without outside employment (amongst other silly comments). You have also admitted to possibly illegal activities involving Iain’s email account.”

I agree, Iain’s apears to be at fault for making fake blogs etc. However that does not excuse that which you have done here and listed by ARIII above. Particularly because you claim to be left wing and progressive, yet make highly regressive comments (ARIII could have mentioned “rent-boys”). You need to act better than Iain.

Bridgit, what I’d propose is this – simply stop mentioning Iain on your blog and, if you can, stop your co-authors from doing so. Give him nothing to work off. If he mentions you on his blog, you can either respond there or ignore it. Be the better person. I’m sure if Iain sees that you are leaving him alone he will leave you alone. And if he doesn’t, it will just show that you are the better person. This will also allow JF to get his blog back on track.

3:31 PM

Iain Hall said…

Anon at 3.31

What you suggest was supposed to be the basis of the ‘peace deal made after my blogs and Email were hacked but Gread and Co were incapable of keeping their collective word for very long at all even when I steadfastly ignored them and moved on to other topics.
It will therefore be understandable that I am less than optimistic that Gread and her cronies will be any more reliable now.

4:49 AM

Bridgit Gread said…

The fact of the matter, Iain, is that you continued to shoot barbs at us on your blog, either by name or implication with your constant reference to “latte-sippers”, “cat-lovers”, etc. Yet you’re not man enough to allow us a right of reply by maintaining an open commenting policy – as Beck does here and as we do at Grods.

10:18 AM

Lattecat said…

Bridgit,

I see that you don’t get the concept of “try to be the better person”. Oh well.

Actually, I am a “latte sipping cat lover”. I’ll use Lattecat as my screen name from now on (one less anon to clog up Beck’s blog).

11:21 AM

ARIII said…

You gave up any claim to a right of reply when you admitted to being party to hacking his email account.

And I don’t know Grod’s commenting policy but I most of your bunch’s blogs don’t have open commenting policies so I would be surprised if you do.

11:36 AM

Sergei Nechaev said…

Isn’t it interesting how Hall has to make every thread about him? Narcissism is the word, I think.

And ARIII, I think Grods does have an open policy, with one or two bannings for fairly specific reasons. In fact, almost every blog that Grods links to also has an open commenting policy. The exceptions may be Jeremy’s blog, and PP, which was much more open prior to Mr Glassjaw calling for the lawyers at ten paces.

11:51 AM

Lattecat said…

ARIII,

Grods is pretty open with commenting. I think they occassionally delete extremely racist comments, but never delete someone just because they don’t like their argument or they are pointing out where Grods made a mistake (unlike others).

11:53 AM

Bridgit Gread said…

ARIII, I gave up nothing because I have admitted nothing of the sort, and your attempt to shut me up by making unsubstantiated allegations won’t work. And you’re also wrong about Grods’ commenting policy: anyone can post there. Now insert your head back into the sand and go to sleep, there’s a good boy.

Lattecat, you’re such a fair-minded peacemaker that should throw off that cloak of anonymity and reveal yourself to the world.

11:56 AM

Lattecat said…

Sergei,

“which was much more open prior to Mr Glassjaw calling for the lawyers at ten paces.”

I have no idea about the details of anything that occurred behind the scences with lawyers, but the incident you referred to related to actual blog-posts posted by (then) PP authors (I don’t get the reference to Mr Glassjaw, I thought it was Ant who put up the post – and in any case, why would he need his own lawyer?).

The comment policy is a separate issue. Seeing that Crikey tends not to have open comments on any blog they host – I imagine this is something you should discuss with Crikey, and not impute to legal action.

My word verification is “rooted”. I normally hate mentions of word verification, but will make an exception here.

11:57 AM

Anonymous said…

“and your attempt to shut me up by making unsubstantiated allegations won’t work”

ARIII can’t shut you up. No one has tried to shut you up. Unsubstantiated? You admitted to making use of information that was obtained from Iain’s email account by someone who accessed it without permission. That seems to be rather substantiated, wouldn’t you? Or are we back to arguing about the meaning of the word “hacked”?

11:59 AM

Iain Hall said…

Bridgit

Like a lot of pathological liars you forget what you have said before and make yourself look very silly indeed.

12:27 PM

ARIII said…

‘Isn’t it interesting how Hall has to make every thread about him?’

Except he didn’t. But it is interesting how badly you want to smear him.

‘Now insert your head back into the sand and go to sleep, there’s a good boy.’

And yet another bizarre insult.

‘Lattecat, you’re such a fair-minded peacemaker that should throw off that cloak of anonymity and reveal yourself to the world.’

I have to find a thesaurus as I have run out of synonyms for bizarre. Your suggestion is a non-sequitur. And if it is true that Bridgit Gread is not your real name then it is a hypocritical suggestion as well.

12:34 PM

Sergei Nechaev said…

Except he didn’t. But it is interesting how badly you want to smear him.

Wrong, moron. Take a look at the thread, and see how long it took for Hall to turn the conversation to the topic of his alleged victimhood.

Look, Hall is a blue-collar, with right wing views, who also happens to be a bit slow, and for those reasons, I can understand why people might sympathise with him as they would any underdog.

The other side of it is that the giy probably has something wrong with him, maybe a combination of a mild ID and a personality disorder. He has a lot of form when it comes to lying, stalking, etc. He’s created over 40 blogs to attack people. He has boasted abou tmistreating his wife. There are clearly some issues there, and threads such as this are equivalent to telling a tinfoil-hat wearing schizophrenic that the CIA really is trying to steal his thoughts.

12:41 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Hall has never “boasted about mistreating his wife”, that’s just going too far.

Iain, I’m no more a pathological liar than you are a consultant to the editors of the Oxford Dictionary. Like a lot of dilettante stalkers turned moral crusaders, you seem to forgot what you have said before and this makes you look silly indeed.

12:51 PM

Iain Hall said…

Maybe you are right Bridgit “pathological liars” can’t help themselves you could tell the truth but chose not to, which is somewhat worse.

1:00 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

…you could tell the truth but chose not to, which is somewhat worse.

You mean like your “I am not willing to confirm or deny” when asked if you created those fake Nazi blogs?

Get out of the ivory tower, Iain, before you fall and hurt yourself.

1:07 PM

Iain Hall said…

It is often rather telling when someone chooses a Nom de Plume and I would say that the content and tone of “Sergei’s” comments and his choice of name suggests that he is actually the same person who posts as “The happy revolutionary” elsewhere…
which would explain why he is so keen to smear me.

1:15 PM

ARIII said…

‘the giy probably has something wrong with him, maybe a combination of a mild ID and a personality disorder’

So? You have no ability to diagnose someone over the internet and the way you are so quick to reach for the insults whenever someone disagrees with you tells me that you probably aren’t the most well balanced person in the world either.

‘threads such as this are equivalent to telling a tinfoil-hat wearing schizophrenic that the CIA really is trying to steal his thoughts.’

That is crap. What a lame attempt to justify the hacking of his personal information and the putrid attacks that you lot have launched against the man.

At least Bridgit admits that she is getting down in the dirt with him.

1:15 PM

ARIII said…

Thanks for that link Iain.

Both the person here and the original seem to be particularly odious people but ‘the ends justify the means’ seems to sum them both up.

1:19 PM

Lattecat said…

Yes, I think THR has said that he often posts under a string of Russian names. I doubt that Sergei would be him though, because to post smears under a different name in order to distract from your own culpability in accessing Iain’s email system without permission would be a new gutless low, even for someone who tries to excuse Stalin on a regular basis.

Bridgit, if THR was posting under the alias of Sergei – I assume that you would denounce him as being immoral uncategorically?

BTW I was anon@11:59.

1:37 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

‘Sergei’ has made comments that are unfounded and inappropriate, and I think they’re uncalled for. Much like the comments made here, which ARIII seems to laughing along with quite merrily. Hypocrisy, much?

As to who ‘Sergei’ is, that is just guesswork on Iain’s behalf, and he doesn’t have a good track record of ‘outing’ pseudonymous bloggers.

1:51 PM

Lattecat said…

Bridgit,

Which bit of “I don’t think domestic violence jokes are really appropriate” is where “ARIII seems to laughing along with quite merrily”. In fact, I think that is the exact, precise, complete opposite?

2:09 PM

Lattecat said…

Hey, Bridgit. Looking at the ED article. What do you think about the smears there on Hall for working from home and looking after children (calling him Mrs Hallfire). How sexist would you have to be to criticise a family on the basis that the wife works and the husband looks after the children. Do you know who wrote the article? If so, are they that sexist normally?

2:22 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

You really think that declaring a comment about Person X to be “not really appropriate”, while you join in the mockery of Person X, is a sincere effort, Lattecat? Meanwhile, you expect me to “uncategorically… denounce” the comment above? Some of you have spent much of this thread moralising and outlining standards of behaviour, yet it’s interesting to see how you conduct yourselves when the subject turns to domestic violence or to someone’s weight.

And no, I’ve not written a word of the ED article. Much of it was written by someone calling him/herself ‘Fang’ and I don’t have any knowledge of who that person is. But if you want to see examples of sexism then just scroll down to Iain’s views on women: that’s where the good stuff is.

2:28 PM

Lattecat said…

“yet it’s interesting to see how you conduct yourselves when the subject turns to domestic violence or to someone’s weight.”

Weight, not seen that mentioned at all? Considering that I’m on the large side of things, I certainly cannot comment on anyone’s weight and would not do so.

On domestic violence, I was anon@9:10am and the first to condemn the idiot who posted about Keri and Jeremy. Personally, I doubt that the anon there is genuine – I may be wrong, but I would suggest that it is so far wrong, weird and irrelevant that the person who wrote it is either trying to set up this blog (I wonder who would do that?) or is someone who has problems.

The reference to “things that batter” is odd. Who really remembers Downer’s short but controversial stint as opposition leader 15 years ago? It would be as if in 2024 someone was posting about Utegate.

I condemn any mention of Keri – both because she has nothing to do with anything relevant to this or the other thread and there is so many things to say about Jeremy, but his personal life should not be one of them.

2:37 PM

Iain Hall said…

Lattecat
A far better place to appreciate my views of women is actually at my own blog where you will find my opinions unmolested by selective and out of context quoting.
The ED page, which Bridget champions so vociferously is all about skewing everything to make me look bad, my dislike of UHT milk is a good example.

2:38 PM

Lattecat said…

“my dislike of UHT milk”

Whoever wrote that ED article has way to much time on their hand. Did you ever find out who Fang was?

2:40 PM

Iain Hall said…

Sadly No I didn’t Lattecat, but I think that he need some serious psychiatric help.

2:46 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Yeah, check out Iain’s post calling for the compulsory sterilisation of women who have multiple abortions – it’s a great bit of libertarian blogging.

And when you’ve done that, check out the 3.32pm comment here and take note of all the condemnation it received the same Beck regulars who have rushed to defend the rights of I. Hall, Citizen Blogger.

2:49 PM

Lattecat said…

Bridgit,

You refer to a comment that was left up in February 4 months ago. I wasn’t reading RWDB then, so didn’t see it. Keri herself condemns it, on that thread, 4 months ago.

Of course that comment’s wrong. I condemn it. I note you told Scott on the original Grods thread that the RWDB blogpost referenced, that his comments were verging on homophobic. Good on you, they clearly are in very poor taste to the point of being sexist. I’m glad that you do stand up against your friends when they pull sexist stunts like that.

That said, check out the comments thread that Keri put up in response:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4099711&postID=2383257331499286442

While one of the comments were withdrawn – there’s still some awfully nasty comments there about Beck.

3:06 PM

Iain Hall said…

To save you a long search Lattecat she is referring to this postand You should take note of the fact that this is one of the threads where she is pretending to be a man posting as “Mark L”

3:18 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Yes, because Iain bans from his blog those who readily disagree with him. When he’s not concocting fake blogs, that is.

Lattecat, I read through that thread and could find no explicit abuse against Beck, though ‘Jayne’ had a general rant. Much of that thread was occupied with one of Iain Hall’s long-winded claims to victimhood. And I don’t read Keri’s blog but I know enough to know that she doesn’t engage in or encourage wild abuse or insults.

3:35 PM

Lattecat said…

“Godwin’s Law or not, you sound like you’re broadcasting from Nuremberg in the 1930s.”

What an odd way of expressing the comment. Nuremberg was a series of rallies, while no doubt there were radio stations broadcasting from there, it’s really only the films that have entered into the popular conscience.

Bridgit’s mind must be an awfully odd place.

3:37 PM

Lattecat said…

Bridgit,
“no explicit abuse against Beck”

Cosmicjester @1:02 (I’ve censored it by removing the “ucks”):
“it really is f’ing disturbing. dont let the sexless wonders and f’tards bother you”

Jayne @3:30 (censored again)
“F’-sticks and knob-jockeys are merely yappy canines with no purpose in life but to be used as fleabag dust-catchers.”

That’s nastily homophobic, too, wouldn’t you think? Let’s not play my hurt is worse than your hurt, everyone’s a big boy or girl.

3:42 PM

Iain Hall said…

Lattecat

http://iainhall.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/the-perils-of-late-starts/

http://iainhall.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/a-womans-place-and-happiness/

http://iainhall.wordpress.com/2009/03/08/international-womens-day-and-abortion/

Try these for my attitude to gender equality and work/life issues
Cheers
Iain

3:51 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Bridgit’s mind must be an awfully odd place.

No it’s not. Many of the Nazi Party’s major policies were announced in Nuremberg, such as the anti-Semitic laws of 1935.

That’s nastily homophobic, too, wouldn’t you think? Let’s not play my hurt is worse than your hurt, everyone’s a big boy or girl.

Indeed, there are many horrid things said on both sides of the blogosphere.

3:55 PM

Lattecat said…

Iain,

Thanks. I take everything that is said by you by ED with a grain of salt.

3:55 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

So do I, except for all the parts that are established as fact.

5:11 PM

J F Beck said…

The Grods crew and followers are an interesting bunch. They condemn legal action resulting from demonstrably incorrect claims yet are quick to make implied threats of legal action in response to posts they find objectionable, but which are factually correct. Notice that earlier Bridgit was bandying about “defamatory” and “defamatory imputation”. This is a nonsense: “defamatory imputation” is proof of defamation.

On the other hand, the Grodsters have repeatedly called me a stalker, Bridgit joining in by referring to this site as the “house of stalk” or some such. The classic example is this load of hogwash from Ant Rogenous. I have written nothing remotely comparable about anyone, ever.

In the Hall-Gread email exchange linked by Iain above Bridgit levels a threat (12 February, 2009):

“Iain, do you still subscribe to that fortnightly porn newsletter that THR found in your Hotmail account? What was it, Abbey [sic] Winters or something? That would make quite a good topic for a blog post, don’t you think?”

On 23 February a cyptic, out of context comment is directed at Hall at Grods:

“What weird shit are you trying to pull with Keri, Hall? She’s not Abby Winters.”

It’s obviously both a threat and an inside joke; none of the other commenters questions the rather odd Abby Winters reference from Chuck — any guesses who Chuck might be?

And these clowns reckon I’m a stalker for using information freely available to anyone able to use Google.

5:35 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Hall sets up fake blogs purporting to be a member of the Grods crew.
Beck’s response: Nothing.

Hall sends off Scotch in exchange for personal info on a Grods regular.
Beck’s response: Nothing.

Unknown person hacks Jeremy’s “Anonymous Lefty” blog.
Beck’s response: Tsk tsk – but it was probably his fault for having unsecure passwords. And now he’ll be whinging!

Beck pastes together stuff from the web to imply that someone shouldn’t be a teacher.
Beck’s response: “It’s OK – you can Google it all anywayz!”

Grods regulars discuss information passed on from Hall’s e-mail account:
Beck’s response: OUTRAGEOUS!! HOW COULD THEY?!?1!!

Beck’s moral consistency = Zero, zip, nought, nada.

7:26 PM

Anonymous said…

Bridgit how is any of that stuff illegal, but for the stunt that your cronies pulled in relation to Iain’s email account. There is no justification ever, under any moral, ethical or legal code for either going into his account or making references to anything anyone found there. Don’t try to change the subject.

8:06 PM

alex said…

Bridgit, Beck’s silence does not imply consent. Iain can look after himself. The only reason we’ve been talking about him so much today is because he (Iain) entered this very conversation to try to set you straight. Otherwise, he barely gets noticed one way or another – unless one of you guys bring him up.

But seeing as we were on the subject anyway, Beck took the opportunity to expose your hypocrisy. It’s not a defence of Iain Hall. It’s a condemnation of your actions.

If you don’t think “Grods regulars discussing information passed on from Hall’s email account” is outrageous, say so. If you do think it’s outrageous, then why did you participate? And why get angry at Beck for maintaining a position that you claim you also hold?

By the way, Google is a free and open search engine. Beck broke no laws in using any information he found there. A great deal of it was freely posted by the grods mob in the first place. Not so with your lefty friends, who hacked into a person’s private email account in order to intimidate him. If you can’t see the difference, well… God bless you.

I like you Bridgit (though I usually disagree with you) because you at least attempt to engage in reasonable debate with the issues over here, a rare and shining exception to the rule that lefties are incapable of behaving like adults. But your last post strikes me as merely a childish tantrum: “He did it too [which isn’t true, by the way] – so why should I be punished…?”

8:12 PM

J F Beck said…

Bridgit, you are a hoot.

Hall sets up fake blogs purporting to be a member of the Grods crew.

Not nice.

Hall sends off Scotch in exchange for personal info on a Grods regular.

Not nice.

Unknown person hacks Jeremy’s “Anonymous Lefty” blog.

Beck condemned it.

Beck pastes together stuff from the web to imply that someone shouldn’t be a teacher.

Writer of said posts threatens legal action and also threatens to make public email exchange regarding supposedly defamatory posts but wimps out in both cases. Beck subsequently publishes email exchange to the great embarrassment of threatener.

Grods regulars discuss information passed on from Hall’s e-mail account, thereby possibly making themselves possible accessories to possible criminal activity.

Grodsters beclown selves at every turn.

Bridgit doesn’t get it, and never will.

8:14 PM

Anonymous said…

Er, Hall hacked the accounts of one ‘Janine Aussie’ some time ago.

8:15 PM

Anonymous said…

Who? If true, that’s wrong too. That doesn’t excuse anything, and you know it.

8:27 PM

Anonymous said…

No, it doesn’t excuse anything, but it alters the one-sidedness and lies that have accumulated on this thread.

8:29 PM

J F Beck said…

Also, Bridgit ignores the “Beck is a stalker” nonsense promulgated by Grodsters.

8:33 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Beck condemned it.

…while laying the blame at Jeremy’s feet and complaining about his imminent “whining”. Some condemnation… scathing!

Writer of said posts threatens legal action and also threatens to make public email exchange regarding supposedly defamatory posts but wimps out in both cases.

Defamation actions are expensive and notoriously troublesome. Not taking action with regard to defamation is not “wimping out”. If it is then your mate Blair is also guilty of “wimping out”. Nor does it mean that your post did not have a creepy, sinister agenda.

Grods regulars discuss information passed on from Hall’s e-mail account, thereby possibly making themselves possible accessories to possible criminal activity.

As has been repeated several times now, the hacking of Hall’s e-mail was a step too far. Most of us contacted him afterwards to say as much, as is documented here. Iain is fair game most of the time but this was wrong, as is any remarks about his wife or family.

Also, Bridgit ignores the “Beck is a stalker” nonsense promulgated by Grodsters.

You’re not really a stalker, Beck. There’s one or two other words that are more appropriate to what you do.

10:00 PM

Iain Hall said…

Anonymous said…

Er, Hall hacked the accounts of one ‘Janine Aussie’ some time ago.

8:15 PM
This is bullshit, after “Janine Aussie “closed down her blogger blog I applied to blogger for the URL and I got it, just as anyone can do. That is NOT hacking by ANY stretch of the imagination. and considering the lies she published about me at that blog I subsequently put up a page denouncing her actions.

3:47 AM

Anonymous said…

Thanks Beck at 5.35, it’s good to remember how nasty some of the PP/grods group can be. No wonder we havenakt seen much from Ant since.

5:20 AM

Lattecat said…

Why am I not surprised that the allegation against Iain was false? What is with this moral equivalence, anyway? This is the type of argument that leads to a person defending the Soviet invasion of Hungary on the grounds that the Americans did something similar to some unspecified country at some unspecified point in time.

6:51 AM

Anonymous said…

This is bullshit, after “Janine Aussie “closed down her blogger blog I applied to blogger for the URL and I got it, just as anyone can do.

No, you used it to impersonate and discredit her. Or do you deny this too?

7:50 AM

Anonymous said…

Give up Bridgit. The problem with being dishonest is that you get a reputation for it after a while. I don’t know why Ian Hall would think you could commit to any agreement. He would need to rely on your word and we know what that is worth.

8:31 AM

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8:34 AM

Iain Hall said…

Really can those who seek to smear me are getting desperate. The blog page at Janine Aussie’s old URL has been kept private for the last couple of years and it never pretended to still be written by her. Under my ownership the page I created remains as it was two years ago and to dispel the latest false claim I have made it public for a while here

8:37 AM

Bridgit Gread said…

Thanks Iain for demonstrating how cracked you actually are.

Tell me, Beck and others, how many of you have raced to claim a Blogger or WordPress blog name that has been abandoned by someone else? How many of you have applied for Blogger and WordPress blogs in the names of your antagonists? How many of you have registered more than 40 different blog names? And your guff about ‘moral equivalence aside, do you accept that this is normal behaviour?

10:53 AM

Bridgit Gread said…

Iain, make it a matching set and unlock ‘Flame War Chronicle’ so the good folks here can read your handiwork!

10:54 AM

Iain Hall said…

Bridgit
it is an artefact of the blogger system that abandoned URLs can be claimed by anyone, that is not the case with wordPress once a WP URL has been used it is no longer available for any other use. Claiming the URL used by “Janine” to grossly defame me and putting up a page denouncing her actions was , and remains an entirely sensible course of action. when having it publicly visible no longer suited me I made it private.
Rather than making public the Flame War Chronicle as you suggest I have made Troll Tales and True visible, for a short time so people can judge for themselves the sort of lunacy that you and your cronies have done to attack me.

11:22 AM

Anonymous said…

Why would Hall be “cracked” Bridgit? He isn’t the member of a gang of cyberstalkers, unlike some.

12:44 PM

Lattecat said…

Bridgit, I’d quit while you are massively behind. You’ve reopened your blog-war with Iain here and you are seriously coming off it the worst. I note that Iain’s had taken down his blogs that show his side of the story, whereas your side is up for all to see at ED. I don’t doubt that you do know who put ED up and I don’t doubt for a minute that you know how one-sided and distortionary it is – despite you saying on this thread:

“This article at Encyclopedia Dramatica recounts the full exploits of Iain Hall, which I can’t be bothered repeating here. He naturally denies it all but it’s well referenced and the quotations are legitimate.”

Why don’t you start behaving like the better person, have the ED article taken down, don’t mention Hall again on Grods and move on with your blogging career? Seriously, this feud overshadows anything else you do. If you move on , then you can ask Hall to take down or make private any blog of his (other than his main one) that mentions you. We’ll hold Hall to task if we think you’ve moved on and he hasn’t.

Hasn’t this blog war gone on for too long already?

12:48 PM

Iain Hall said…

Hasn’t this blog war gone on for too long already?
Hear hear! Lattecat

1:00 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Indeed it has.

I began commenting on this thread in response to Beck’s inane post about Jeremy changing one of his links – and then Iain’s pet poodle (Anon@12.38) turns up and starts yarping at me, closely followed by Iain himself. I fire back at his nonsense and Iain starts screaming blue murder, posting and unveiling his old attack blogs, and generally being Iain.

And you reckon I’m reigniting this distant blog war? Gimme a break.

2:56 PM

Iain Hall said…

My God you are desperate Gread
Anonymous said…

Gread, get on it.

You’re boring.

12:38 PM
You have absolutely no reason to assume that this has ANYTHING to do with me or anyone who posts comments at my blog you are just making this stuff up to cover up the fact that you have been living up to the threat to harass me elsewhere on the net because I won’t have you commenting at my own blog.
It is you that has been so keen to ramp up hostilities but it has blown up in your face and you now look just like the thuggish bully that you so clearly are.

3:11 PM

Lattecat said…

“Google-happy Scotch-posting housebound weirdos”.

Sounds like you started it here, yes. In any case, you’ve come out of it much the worse. But you didn’t answer the issue. Why don’t you stop posting in relation to Iain and all this will go away. Do you honestly like being reminded of this ancient history?

3:14 PM

Anonymous said…

Lattecat,

Hall’s ‘niceperson709′ attack blog was getting stuck into Bridgit (among others) before she commented here. Bridgit and others have ignored Hall for months at a time. The favour has never been reciprocated.

4:05 PM

Lattecat said…

“Bridgit and others have ignored Hall for months at a time. The favour has never been reciprocated.”

Come off it. Not a week goes by on Grods without some mention of Iain (whether directly or by one of the nicknames you have for him). ED is always up and is often referred to by people on or associated with Grods (look at the way Randombrainwave changed the link to Iain’s comment to that page). Seriously, no way can you claim the moral high-ground for one side.

4:28 PM

Anonymous said…

Seriously, no way can you claim the moral high-ground for one side.

So why are you doing precisely that with your one-sided condemnation of Gread, and your turning a blind eye to Hall’s extensive history of aberrant behaviour?

4:34 PM

Lattecat said…

“So why are you doing precisely that with your one-sided condemnation of Gread, and your turning a blind eye to Hall’s extensive history of aberrant behaviour?”

Where have I done that? I’m merely pointing out to Bridgit that if she is genuine about seeking the moral high-ground, she has the opportunity to stake a claim to it by becoming the better person.

Although, let’s face it, only one side has admitted that someone’s email account was accessed without permission and that information found there has been used and publicly aired. If you choose to label Iain as having “an extensive history of aberrant behaviour” without mentioning that, well good on you.

4:42 PM

alex said…

“So why are you doing precisely that with your one-sided condemnation of Gread, and your turning a blind eye to Hall’s extensive history of aberrant behaviour?”

Wow. Must be reading a different thread to the one I’ve been following.

Guess that’s what happens when you only have one eye…

4:43 PM

Iain Hall said…

I tell you what Bridgit, the day that you and your cronies take down the ED page,and get Scott to archive all of the posts about me at Grods is the day that I will believe that you are genuinely putting the long winded feud to bed forever. Until then I have no reason whatsoever to believe anything that you say when you suggest that you want to put all of this business behind you.

6:33 PM

Anonymous said…

Iain, would you accept removal of ED and no more mentions of you on Grods? That might be easier to achieve then taking down all posts on you from Grods. In return you could take down or make private any blogs other than your main blog. If you agree to this, then the ball is firmly in Bridgit and coy’s court.
Lattecat

7:16 PM

Iain Hall said…

Lattecat
I have been more than willing in the past to cease hostilities and archive material that is elemental to the feud but My trust in Bridgit and her cronies being willing to do so as well is somewhat less than zero. Any act of good faith, like the removal of the ED page, would go a very long way towards making a real peace possible.

4:39 AM

Lattecat said…

OK, so we have the first steps. Bridgit, are you willing to have the ED page come down?

6:28 AM

Anonymous said…

I don’t negotiate with cyberstalkers.

7:26 AM

Iain Hall said…

Anon of 7.26

What stake do you have in anything?

7:45 AM

Lattecat said…

Anon of 7.26
“I don’t negotiate with cyberstalkers.”

Well, as Iain said, what stake do you have? In any case, the beauty of this approach is that no one is negotiating with anyone (except maybe me). It is a simple action/reward. If ED goes down and the mentions stop, then everyone says that Bridgit’s side has taken a positive step and has taken the moral high-ground. Then Iain will have to take down his extra blogs and stop mentioning Bridgit and co, or look like he is trying to prolong the blog-war. Simple really and everyone is the winner. We are just waiting on a response from Bridgit. Iain has already said that he will take the first steps, so the ball is in her court.

8:43 AM

Anonymous said…

Gread has already indicated that the ED page isn’t hers. Hall is well aware of this, and so by making an impossible request, he is trying to continue the blog war.

9:02 AM

Anonymous said…

He that deceives me once, it’s his fault, but twice it is my fault.

Ian is trying for thrice.

He should not be negotiating with cyberstalkers.

9:07 AM

Lattecat said…

“Gread has already indicated that the ED page isn’t hers. Hall is well aware of this, and so by making an impossible request, he is trying to continue the blog war.”

The request, originally, came from me, not Hall. The ED page might not be hers, but I’m sure she knows who wrote it (or someone else on Grods will know it).

Again, though, who are you? You sounnd like you have a personal stake in this. Let Bridgit talk for herself.

9:18 AM

Iain Hall said…

Anon of 9.02
Impossible request? what a crock Gread may claim that she is not the author but there is no doubt that one of her cronies is because no one else has any reason to create and maintain the page. If she really wants to end this then it is up to her to do something about it, either take down the page because it is her work or convince the author to do so on her behalf. I want nothing more than to see an end to the constant unjustified vilification I receive from you lot but I am heartily sick of the constant denials of responsibility and the blame shifting that all of you practice when it comes to the crap that you create.
Anon @ 9.07
You can rest assured that I won’t be changing a thing that I post or do until I see something really positive done by the other side.

9:19 AM

Anonymous said…

You can rest assured that I won’t be changing a thing that I post or do until I see something really positive done by the other side.

Excuse me? You were saying somethng about ‘moral high-ground’?

9:22 AM

Iain Hall said…

@9.22
Latte cat’s suggestion of seeking higher moral ground is directed at Bridgit and her cronies, frankly although I don’t claim any moral perfection but in the light of my “good behaviour” and lack of good faith from my critics that I am entitled to expect some real concessions before I make any changes myself.

9:36 AM

Anonymous said…

Can someone please explain to me the ‘moral high ground’ of gang cyberstalking?

9:37 AM

Lattecat said…

“Can someone please explain to me the ‘moral high ground’ of gang cyberstalking?”

Well, when you stop doing so, you get to claim the moral high-ground. The point of the exercise is not to assign blame for what happened before, but simply to move on so that everyone’s lives are improved.

Realistically, when you set up a blog at Crikey claiming to out poisoinous discourse on the internet and yet are still running a nasty campaign against one person (yes, I know Bridgit’s not part of PP, but others on Grods are), the high ground you can claim may not be that high, but at least it is a step up.

Otherwise Bridgit/Grods and associates will continue to look like they are obsessed with one person and will continue to be called on it.

Once ED goes down, Iain will take down his other blogs and everyone can move on with their lives and pretend this never happenned.

Now then, Bridgit – what’s your response?

9:58 AM

Anonymous said…

Just await Bridgit’s response Latte. She will either ignore, deny ability or refuse.

10:11 AM

Lattecat said…

“She will either ignore, deny ability or refuse.”
I hope not, she sounds reasonable and has expressed willing to move out of the blog-war. I trust that she will see this as an opportunity. Genuinely, it is not an attempt to put down one side. Both sides can come out of it saying they were right all along, for all I care.

10:17 AM

Anonymous said…

She isn’t reasonable.

10:28 AM

Anonymous said…

Lattecat, you’re full of shit, and your pathetic moral equivalence is only going to give Hall the encouragement he needs to keep stalking for another few years.

PP has never ‘stalked’ Hall. Grods has never stalkerd Hall either, though the site has had so jokes at his expense. So what. Hall has doxens of blogs that exist for no other purpose than attacking people and disclosing their personal information.

If ‘moral highground’ involves appeasing the sort of pondscum that float around Beck’s blog, then better to the moral highground a big miss.

Hall is perfectly well aware that the ED site is run by a chap called Fang, whose identity is not known. Calling on Grods, Gread, etc to pull down the site is therefore ridiculous. Hall has indicated that he has corresponded with Fang before, so he should approach Fang himself.

If anything, Fang has done the blogging community a great service, by offering a counter-voice to Hall’s revisionism, and empowering the victims of his behaviour.

Hall is yet to amend his ways. He has never issued an apology for his behaviour, which is extensive and disturbing, despite what you morons believe.

In addition, it should be noted that concessions have already been made for Hall. The one attack blog that did exist on the net (by Bourbon Boy, who was not a part of Grods) has been taken down. Unfortunately, this doesn’t seem to have assisted in Hall’s rehabilitation. Hall’s attack campaign has been ongoing since then, and in response, he can only make reference to a couple of incidents against him that occurred in the long-distant past.

So, fuck Hall, and fuck his deluded supporters on this site.

10:35 AM

Anonymous said…

How do you know Bourbon Boy is not part of Grods?

10:42 AM

Bridgit Gread said…

The Grods people have e-mailed each other on a regular basis and speculated on the identity of ‘Bourbon Boy’. None of us knows who he is or was – or if someone does then they’re not admitting it.

As I said before, I have never written a word of the ED page on Iain Hall, so I am under no obligation to ‘take it down’. It’s a wiki page anyway so anybody could remove it – and if someone else did then I certainly wouldn’t be restoring it. Iain himself has tried to edit it: check out the hilarious efforts of ‘Mars Rover’.

You should be aware that there’s a precedent for Hall’s let’s-make-peace crap. Years ago I had a blog post detailing how he and his mate ‘David Tan’, who is still hanging around like lingering halitosis, tried to expose my identity and contact my ‘employer’, only to get both horribly wrong. After a few months I deleted the article in return for Iain deleting his own attack blog – however he never deleted it, he only ‘locked’ it, and it subsequently was called into service the next time he was miffed at something said in anger. Iain Hall + peace treaties = FAIL.

10:54 AM

alex said…

Blessed are the Cheesemakers…

11:01 AM

Lattecat said…

Anon@10:35. Not worth responding too.

“As I said before, I have never written a word of the ED page on Iain Hall, so I am under no obligation to ‘take it down’.”

No, you aren’t under any obligation (that’s the point of this exercise – no-one’s at fault for anything that has happened, just that taking it down is the only way to move forward).

While ED stays up, it continues the war. Take it down and the war ends. No-one said you wrote it, just that it has to be written by someone in your camp.

This “let’s-make-peace crap” is not coming from Iain. It’s coming from me and others on this blog who want the war to end and people to move on. It’d certainly make Grods a much more interesting place, PP far less hypocritical, and you would be taken more seriously as a commentator on blogs.

“Years ago I had a…”
That’s the point. Years ago. Let’s move on. If Iain doesn’t respond, we’ll call him on it.

Simply, will you have ED taken down?

If you do that, you can say you are a winner and have taken the moral high ground.

Iain will then take down his attack blogs. He becomes a winner too and also claims the moral high ground.

You can then stop mentioning and baiting each other on your respective sites and move on with your lifes.

Everyone’s a winner and the internet is a little bit happier.

So again, what will you do?

11:11 AM

Anonymous said…

Latte the indicators of cyberstalking are:

*Malice
*Premeditation
*Repetition
*Distress
*Obsession
*Vendetta
*No Legitimate Purpose
*Personally Directed
*Disregarded Warnings to Stop
*Harassment
*Threats

The Bridgit Gread gang ticks all those boxes. That is what you are trying to negotiate with.

11:13 AM

Lattecat said…

Anon@11:13,

I’m trying to work past what’s gone on before. If it doesn’t work out, people will draw their own conclusions about the failure to stop it when given a reasonable opportunity and add it to what they think about the past behaviour of the group.

Basically, I believe in the school of thought that people are capable of being perfected. I’m giving the participants a chance to prove me right.

11:23 AM

Bridgit Gread said…

Iain will then take down his attack blogs.

But he won’t, Lattecat, that is the point. Nobody who has had any dealings with Iain in the past trusts him to do anything.

The trouble with Iain is that he operates under this ludicrous assumption that if one person says something about him, then all their associates are to blame. He is unable to recognise the fact that the Grods/PP people are not a bloc who act en masse. Nor are we responsible for rogues and lunatics like ‘Bourbon Boy’ or ‘Fang’ – in fact we have often stood up to them when they have gone too far.

While Iain thinks he’s operating against some grand alliance, and that an attack on him by some idiot somehow implicates us all, then he’s never going to take down his attack blogs.

P.S. Anon@11.13am, do they let you use the Internet to Google big words at your kindy?

11:34 AM

Anonymous said…

Bridgit,

I hear a rumour that the ED page is wiki “so anybody could remove it”. Please show us how.

12:03 PM

Lattecat said…

Bridgit,
If you don’t want Anon@11:13am to be proved correct, take the first step and see what happens. We’ll call Iain on it if he doesn’t comply (trust me on that). You don’t have to trust Iain. You just have to do it and see what happens. Why don’t you give it one last shot?

“While Iain thinks he’s operating against some grand alliance, and that an attack on him by some idiot somehow implicates us all, then he’s never going to take down his attack blogs.”

Well, if that is your attitude, nothing will ever change. But, let’s face it, Grods/PP/Randombrainwave/THR etc. are an alliance. Anyone can see that from reading your blogs and what you’ve told us about what happens in the background.

There is an organised group against Iain. It’s right there on ED. It’s the constant mentions of him on Grods. It’s the use people have made of private information found in his in-box. You don’t think that Chuck mentioning Abby Winters on Grods and the comment staying up or you mentioning special numbers that are found in Iain’s in-box isn’t evidence of an alliance against him?

Let’s face it. If Scott or you were to put up a post on Grods today saying that Iain is out of bounds, don’t you think that the “some idiots” would immediately stop? Having Grods constantly putting up posts about Iain just fuels the “idiots” who think that they are doing what you want.

Iain is one guy, just leave him be and move on.

12:06 PM

Lattecat said…

Anon@12:03,

You are right. If its a wiki and Bridgit takes it down, that will send a powerful message.

12:08 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

I won’t be taking anything down, Lattecat, and your assertions that it’s somehow my responsibility to do so are getting quite boring. Perhaps Anon@12.03 can do it, if he ever finds the edit link.

I’d be more trusting of your we’ll-hold-Iain-to-account line if you and others posting here were more condemning of his crap – but you aren’t, in fact you’ve studiously ignored the matter all the way through.

12:21 PM

Iain Hall said…

More lies from Gread:
You should be aware that there’s a precedent for Hall’s let’s-make-peace crap. Years ago I had a blog post detailing how he and his mate ‘David Tan’, who is still hanging around like lingering halitosis, tried to expose my identity and contact my ‘employer’, only to get both horribly wrong. After a few months I deleted the article in return for Iain deleting his own attack blog – however he never deleted it, he only ‘locked’ it, and it subsequently was called into service the next time he was miffed at something said in anger. Iain Hall + peace treaties = FAIL.
The truth of what she did is here in her own words I was foolish to fall for her scam in the first instance but had she not decided to “punish me” my calls for her name would have amounted to nothing.

12:23 PM

Iain Hall said…

Bridgit
I have the runs on the board when it comes to making private all of the old blog war stuff and your team (Scott in particular)boast about not honouring the agreements made in the past, and you have the cheek to say that I can’t be trusted?

12:32 PM

Anonymous said…

Thank you for proving me right Bridgit.

12:35 PM

Lattecat said…

Bridgit:
“I won’t be taking anything down, Lattecat, and your assertions that it’s somehow my responsibility to do so are getting quite boring. Perhaps Anon@12.03 can do it, if he ever finds the edit link.

I’d be more trusting of your we’ll-hold-Iain-to-account line if you and others posting here were more condemning of his crap – but you aren’t, in fact you’ve studiously ignored the matter all the way through.”

Well, then, we’ll just judge you accordingly. You’ve had a chance to move on. We’re not condemning you for what has happened (other than maybe the stunt with Iain’s email account), we’re offering you a chance to move on. It’s not your responsibility, but your opportunity. You are tired of my calls over 3 days? How tired you must be of this blog-war then. Yet you don’t want to take the opportunity to move on.

Likewise we are not condemning Iain for what he’s done (it’s called a blog war because both sides are at fault). However if you want to cede the moral high ground to Iain, then by all means, carry on your pointless feud. Iain’s made peace overtures. You won’t accept them. Currently that makes Iain the better person.

It’s tough, moving on, but why don’t you let go?

12:35 PM

Anonymous said…

The truth of what she did is here in her own words I was foolish to fall for her scam in the first instance but had she not decided to “punish me” my calls for her name would have amounted to nothing.

So it’s Gread’s fault that you accused her of being a (real-life) tv journo and started sending emails to the tv station, in an effort to out her?

This is the warped mind we’re dealing with, folks, and that’s what the moral equivalence brigade keep trying to forget.

12:35 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Yes Iain, and I quite happily deleted that post years ago because it was embarrassing for you and because you later promised to also delete your own attack blog. But you never did, did you? Another promise broken.

I have the runs on the board when it comes to making private all of the old blog war stuff

Only because you’re sat at home all day with the time to archive and catalogue it all. Some of us have got better things to do, quite frankly. Commenting here takes me a minute at a time – but how long did it take you to put together those attack blogs you’re now opening up for inspection?

Iain’s made peace overtures. You won’t accept them. Currently that makes Iain the better person.

Lattecat, you’re either one of Iain’s chums or you’re living in cloud cuckoo-land. Either way, I’m fast losing interest in your points-of-view.

12:38 PM

Lattecat said…

Thanks for the Trollwatch link Iain. It’s good to note how long this has been going on and how pointless the causes are now. Who cares about Jeremy’s identity? It’s long out of the bag. Hating on someone for setting up their own blog when they are stopped from posting on another blog is quite lame.

It’s time to put all that behind. I understand, Iain, why you won’t take down your blogs when ED is up there. Particularly because you are blogging under your own name, whereas Bridgit is blogging under an alias. I also appreciate that you’ve taken down or made private your old blogs that document yourside of the story.

Bridgit’s been given the opportunity to move on, but won’t take it. Iain, after a few days – will you make private again those blogs you’ve re-opened up this week? It’d be a gesture, even though one that is, apparently, unlikely to be reciprocated.

12:43 PM

Anonymous said…

Latte, you can’t make a moral appeal to the dishonest.

12:55 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

I like how Lattecat downplays what Hall has done in the past, sympathises with his ‘predicament’, places all the onus on others to act while placing none upon Iain, then declares Hall to be “a better person”.

You didn’t make a trip to Munich in 1938 by any chance, Lattecat?

1:05 PM

Tito said…

I for one applaud the good work of this ‘Fang’ chap, in educating society about the perils of blogging. I do believe, however, that the ED site should be taken down. This should occur after Mr Hall has been thoroughly rehabilitated, and has demonstrated that he no longer poses a risk to the blogging community.

1:07 PM

Lattecat said…

“You didn’t make a trip to Munich in 1938 by any chance, Lattecat?”

Ah. No. How odd. I thought you were opposed to calling people Nazis? Or is it only when you are called a Nazi?

1:22 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Well since you aren’t willing to actively condemn people who portray others as Nazis, I assumed that you were OK with it…

1:28 PM

Iain Hall said…

Latte cat
I thank you very much for trying and you are right to suggest that I make private once again the blogs I have opened to support my argument here. That was always my intention anyway.
Bridgit
Since when does the target of internet bullying have any obligations to do anything?
None the less I have offered to achieve public “attack” blogs and to once again ignore you lot.
As Latte Cat has pointed out the whole thing about “moving on” is that you have to let go of the issues of the past. I’m prepared to do so and you are not.
Tito
methinks you protest to much

1:36 PM

Anonymous said…

Does anybody else find it odd that Lattecat thinks the entire Grods crew needs to engage in some sort of moral pissing contest with Ian Hall? I mean, it’s like asking Obama to prove his moral worth by ‘making peace’ with Kim Jong Il.

It’s been approximately 18 months since the ED site was last altered, and over 12 months since Hackgate. In that time, there has been no unduly bad behaviour toward Ian by anybody. Yes, there has been the occasional joke, but if jokes make you a monster, then everybody, this siteowner included, is guilty as charged.

In the meantime, amidst this longstanding state of truce, Ian has continued to post on his sites which are purely attack blogs. He has continued to make personal reference to individuals, and to post photos of perceived enemies. Finally, he has recently been trying to stalk enemy bloggers via facebook.

As far as I can see, one side has already made its peace, while the other side hasn’t. It’s your move, Hall.

1:42 PM

Tito said…

Tito
methinks you protest to much

A couople of brief points, Mr Hall:

1. You have the quote wrong.
2. You are using it in a context where it doesn’t make any sense.

I suggest you master contemporary English before attempting to take on poetry of the Elizabethan and Jacobean eras.
In the meantime, I see you are closing down your troll blogs. Oh well. Fangs for the memories.

1:45 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Since when does the target of internet bullying have any obligations to do anything?

This is what it always boils down to with you, Iain, “I’m being bullied… it’s so unfair”.

Grow up, for Christ’s sake, and take some responsibility for your actions. If you could own up to some of the crap you’ve done, admit that it was wrong and apologise, then we could all move on. But while you play the hard-done-by innocent, stalked and harassed by a cadre of teh evil Left, you’ve got Buckley’s chance.

1:51 PM

Lattecat said…

“Well since you aren’t willing to actively condemn people who portray others as Nazis, I assumed that you were OK with it…”

Bridgit, I don’t know what I did to you to warrant being called a Nazi.

Calling someone a Nazi is completely beyond the pale in normal discussion, as is using an allegation of homosexuality as an insult. You’ve complained of being called a Nazi on this thread. It’s wrong (I’ve called Iain on it up thread somewhere). But the exercise was not to condemn anything but to move on.

There’s lots of stuff in ED that’s just as bad as being called a lesbian Nazi. That’s why I asked for it to be taken down. In turn, Iain will take down the pages that refer to you as a Nazi. Everyone wins!

But you are refused to do so. I still maintain treating you as a reasonable person was a worthwhile exercise. Oh well, if I’m just going to be called a Nazi – I probably should have tried with less beligerant sides. Maybe Korea…

1:51 PM

Lattecat said…

Tito, is that another reference to a communist revolutionary? Are you trying to hide it by going with a yugoslavian rather than Russian?

Bridgit. Can’t you see that:
“Grow up, for Christ’s sake, and take some responsibility for your actions.”
Is just what I have been asking for? Oh well.

Anon @11:13 – looks like you might have been proved correct. It may be pointless reasoning with Bridgit and co.

Bridgit, you’ve given Iain the perfect opportunity now to point to this thread and show how you were given an opportunity to move on and did not take it. Iain, feel free to do so.

1:56 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Bridgit, I don’t know what I did to you to warrant being called a Nazi.

I didn’t call you a Nazi; I likened you to someone who famously appeased someone who couldn’t be trusted. They are two different things.

There’s lots of stuff in ED that’s just as bad as being called a lesbian Nazi. That’s why I asked for it to be taken down. In turn, Iain will take down the pages that refer to you as a Nazi.

There is equally bad stuff on ED, I agree. I have also said numerous times that I didn’t write the material on ED. I have also said that if someone took it down, I wouldn’t give two hoots. There’s nothing Nazi-related for Iain to ‘take down’, since both Blogger and WordPress have both removed his fake blogs – which he has still never admitted to creating.

But you are refused to do so.

Because I’m under no freaking obligation to do so! I didn’t create it, it’s not mine and I don’t even have an ED username. Nor do I intend dancing to your tune, since your views on Iain Hall are highly dubious.

2:01 PM

Tito said…

Lattecat,

How dare you accuse me of sockpuppeting! You’re lucky I’m not Tim Blair, or I’d have a good mind to call Slater & Gordon faster than you can say ‘WB’.

2:10 PM

Lattecat said…

“I didn’t call you a Nazi; I likened you to someone who famously appeased someone who couldn’t be trusted. They are two different things.”

I see, you did. The reference wasn’t absolutely clear, because, after all, there were 2 people at that meeting. You are not covering yourself with glory here, though – as Iain has clearly expressed a desire to genuinely move on.

2:23 PM

Lattecat said…

Ah, Tito. Don’t you see that your comments just make Bridgit look bad? You are not helping. With friends like you, why does Bridgit need enemies?

2:58 PM

Iain Hall said…

Bridgit
I’ll dips me lid that you are now, finally being honest that satirical blogs that I made found their mark.But the facts of the matter are that their content was fashioned entirely from your own words,and frankly I felt that there was some poetic justice in selectively quoting your own text in a way that made “Bridgit Gread” look bad. But as I have said before that is not your real name and in law it is impossible to defame or slander a pseudonym.
Now it would be the easiest thing in the world to say “sorry” but I would be lacking sincerity if I were to do so because I enjoyed seeing you squirm and try to pretend that you did not care. But that was literally years ago and you should be grown up enough to let it go by now.Under no circumstances will I ever “apologise” to you nor do I expect an apology from you or any of the Grods crew I just want the crap to stop on a simple quid pro quo basis.
That is the grown up way to do it.
But as long as the ED page remains and you and your pals keep promoting it there is absolutely no incentive for me to cease criticising any of you and as you should have worked out by now I won’t be blackmailed, threatened or bullied into doing anything to suit your pleasure.
So as your bully boy tactics are a failure how about you try some honest dealing just for once?

3:55 PM

ARIII said…

‘Tell me, Beck and others, how many of you have raced to claim a Blogger or WordPress blog name that has been abandoned by someone else?’

If that blog was being used to defame me, then maybe I would.

‘do you accept that this is normal behaviour?’

Even if Hall is not behaving normally, this doesn’t justify your hacking of his email account.

No one but your cronies believes that. Why don’t you think about that for a moment rather than continuing to badger us about the evils of Hall.

Your claims about Hall also ring hollow given the rubbish we’ve seen you lot write about anyone and everyone who happens to disagreee with your mob.

5:04 PM

ARIII said…

moral equivalence brigade

There is no moral equivalence. You and your mates were responsible for the hacking of someone’s private email account and have been using that info ever since.

Iain may not be perfect but he hasn’t stooped that low.

5:10 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Now it would be the easiest thing in the world to say “sorry” but I would be lacking sincerity if I were to do so because I enjoyed seeing you squirm and try to pretend that you did not care.

I don’t care, Hall; I have never cared. Anyone with a skerrick of intelligence could see that they were your handiwork. But at least you’ve finally come clean and admitted that (a) you constructed fake blogs to portray someone as a lesbian Nazi (b) your intention in doing so was to upset them, and (c) you’re unable to apologise for it because you take delight in whatever distress you think you might have caused. This is about as honest an admission as I’ve ever seen you make – I trust you feel better for revealing your true colours.

Even if Hall is not behaving normally, this doesn’t justify your hacking of his email account.

Where is your proof that I hacked Iain Hall’s e-mail account, ARIII?Feel free to post it here; we wouldn’t want you looking like a finger-pointing dick.

5:37 PM

Anonymous said…

Bridgit. In English you and therefore your can take a singular or plural form. You’ve admitted that your crony THR (who may or may not have posted in this thread) accessed Iain’s account without permission and that you personally have made use of that information as have your friends. That is called hacking. He is not specifically saying you persinally hacked. But seriously, can’t you maintain a civil tongue in your head? Surely you were brought up better than that? Lattecat

7:10 PM

Anonymous said…

Does anyone that they’ve decided to bully him and that nothing at all is going to stop them? It certainly reminds me of some vicious schoolyard bullying

7:18 PM

Iain Hall said…

Bridgit

I don’t care, Hall; I have never cared.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much, If this was true you would be able to let the perceived slight from my (admittedly cruel) satire go. But your frequent mentions of this now long gone blog here makes you a liar, again.

Anyone with a skerrick of intelligence could see that they were your handiwork. But at least you’ve finally come clean and admitted that (a) you constructed fake blogs to portray someone as a lesbian Nazi (b) your intention in doing so was to upset them, and (c)

Bridgit I have often been asked if I had wrote those blogs and I have always used a pedantic interpretation of the word “wrote” because the words were all yours cut and pasted into a new creation I wrote NONE of it My choice of the colour that those blogs painted “Bridgit Gread” is really of no consequence but I though that painting a Marxist as a Nazi made a certain amount of sense .

you’re unable to apologise for it because you take delight in whatever distress you think you might have caused. This is about as honest an admission as I’ve ever seen you make – I trust you feel better for revealing your true colours.

Sweetie, I’ll explain this in simple terms so that you will understand it: I am entirely capable of apologising but I choose not to because quite simply you do not deserve any apology I do not regret a single moment of anguish (that you claim you never felt anyway) or any other hurt that you felt from those creations (that you likewise deny feeling) It was a war and in war people do hurtful things; you lot “took no prisoners” and neither did I, The difference is that You lot violated the “Geneva conventions” (by hacking my blogs and emails) and I did nothing of the sort. GET OVER IT

4:23 AM

Lattecat said…

If anyone is seriously in doubt about how nasty the Grods and co vendetta against Iain is, you should see Bridgit’s comments here:

http://www.grods.com/post/6903/#comment-42074

““Ignore and it will go away” applies to Iain Hall much like it applies to pubic lice.”

I think this thread is probably over now, we’ve tried our best and it is time to move on. Sorry Iain, that we could not get Bridgit to do the same. Taking responsibility does not seem to be one of her strengths.

8:24 AM

Anonymous said…

Bad things happen to those who oppose Bridgit Gread.

Their emails are hacked.

But Bridgit Gread wouldn’t be involved in that.

Their private lives are publicised.

But Bridgit Gread wouldn’t be involved in that.

Attack blogs are set up to damage their reputations.

But Bridgit Gread wouldn’t be involved in that.

9:38 AM

Royston said…

Lattecat are you Halls wife???

No impossible, she would be at work.

Hall is the douchebag of the internet and you two clowns have been defending him. The bloke just admitted setting up a blog to make some poor sucker look like a Nazi and you are still backing him, you feckless pair of shrivelled testicles.

The ED should remain on line as a clear record of who/what Iain Charles Hall is and I intend keeping it going. Hall can go fuck himself. And you two will probably line up to join him.

Over and out.

11:13 AM

Anonymous said…

Royston it would appear that Hall was merely replying in kind to Bridgit’s various attack blogs.

If Bridgit did that to me what she did to Ian I’d be sure to do unto her what she has done to others.

11:32 AM

Royston said…

Where are her “various attack blogs” you idiot, she doesnt have any “attack blogs”, she just makes fun of Hall at Grods. And rightly so because hes a tool.

Meanwhile Hall has more “attack blogs” than he has brain cells and you say nothing about him. FAIL.

11:36 AM

Anonymous said…

she just makes fun of Hall at Grods

Bad luck Royston.

11:39 AM

Royston said…

So Beck is allowed to make fun of Sear, Lowenstein, etc. and Hall is allowed to make fun of the “latte sippers” but nobody can make fun of Hall or they are “bullies”?

Is Hall giving you sexual favors or something?

11:43 AM

Anonymous said…

Before I respond Royston, are you prepared to concede Bridgit does more that make fun of Hall at Grods?

11:48 AM

Royston said…

OK I will concede that if you concede that Hall is a stalking mutant who tries to identify anonymous bloggers and makes up fake blogs to smear people.

11:53 AM

David Tan said…

Before I respond Royston, are you prepared to concede Bridgit does more that make fun of Hall at Grods?

Yeah, she makes fun humourously, whereas the attempts to do so by Beck and Hall fall pathetically flat.

11:54 AM

Anonymous said…

Heaven forbid someone actually identifies an anonymous blogger. What would you do with one of those Royston?

11:56 AM

Royston said…

I wouldnt stick their picture up on my blog or send emails to their employer. Only a weirdo would do that.

12:00 PM

Royston said…

Hey “David Tan”, Ive seen your name somewhere before. Usually with the word ‘dickhead’ attached.

12:01 PM

Anonymous said…

More sock puppets Bridgit?

12:03 PM

Royston said…

Man you are seriously obsessed with Bridgit, you need to get out and get yourself a REAL woman dude.

12:05 PM

Anonymous said…

What is it with teh left and sockpuppets?

12:13 PM

Catweezle said…

We know that Ian Hall would never resort to using sockpuppets.

12:18 PM

Anonymous said…

Hey Bridgit. Nice friends you have here. Immediately starting with sexist or homophobic insults. How progressive. I also like the implied threats of being added to ED. Bridgit, your friends are a credit to you. Lattecat

12:51 PM

ARIII said…

Lattecat,

I doubt there have been more than two of the Grodsters posting in this thread. Despite the fact that there have been about 10 different names used.

I wonder why they keep coming back. Are they hoping that we will turn around and start applauding them for hacking people’s email accounts and abusing the information they find there?

1:04 PM

ARIII said…

The facts of the matter are that at least one person over at Grods corp (apparently the one who goes by the name of The Happy Revolutionist amongst other names) hacked Iain’s email.

The contents of his personal email account were then forwarded around to a number of people who have repeatedly made this information public. This includes a person who goes by the name of Bridgit Gread amongst other names.

This information appears to have been used to smear Iain and some of the statements appear to imply some sort of threat to disclose the private material if he doesn’t quit blogging.

None of the grodsters appear willing to concede that this behaviour was wrong in any way and appear to believe that their illegal activity was somehow justified.

They appear to be incorrigible, so the only question I have is to what extent was Jeremy Sear, Barrister, involved in the hacking and subsequent dissemination of this information. He was definitely associated with the Grods team having blogged there himself and being associated with the members via his personal blog and via their blog on Crikey. However, his relationship with Hall seems to have improved lately and he no longer appears to be willing to associate himself with the blog as he has changed the link to Grods on his blog.

It would obviously be very damaging for a Barrister to be associated with illegal activity like this.

1:15 PM

Iain Hall said…

Lattecat.
if the latest part of this thread proves anything it is what a bunch of Psycho-nutters I have to contend with. They are just bullies with keyboards.

But I have a couple of simple questions for “Royston”:

What gives you the right to act as some sort of internet vigilante?

What is your desired outcome from all of this nonesese?

What stake do you personally have in any of the battles past and why can’t you move on?

1:16 PM

Lattecat said…

ARIII,

I’m assuming that the Royston/Sergei/Catweazle/Tito/Anonymous is one or at most two of the cronies rather than necessarily one of the grods-bloggers themselves.

The multiplicities of blogs (including the ED site) and authors on Bridgit/Grods side is of course one of the key reasons that she can come to this blog and deny responsibility for ending the blog-war or for carrying it on. It also makes it much harder for Iain to know what to respond too. As has been said before, this makes the whole situation reminiscent of a schoolyard group ganging up to bully the unpopular kid.

Further, it also makes them hypocritical in complaining about the number of blogs Iain has (which in anycase all but 1 or 2 seem to be shut or private). I think Sears has more open blogs than Iain, for instance.

1:19 PM

Iain Hall said…

ARIII
I tend to agree that Jeremy has more sense than to be directly involved, he alone amongst this clique actually has something to lose should he be involved in their criminality. and as he himself has had his blogs hacked I think that he is acutely aware just how distressing such a crime actually is top the victim.But I think that the Grods crowd are just like a mob of children who won’t grow up and “Royston’s” tantie here just proves it.

1:23 PM

Royston said…

Iain if you think the Grods crowd are a mob of children then you should be careful about sending them scotch which is supplying alcohol to minors.

1:35 PM

Iain Hall said…

Can’t answer my questions eh “royston”, well that is typical.

1:43 PM

Lattecat said…

“Royston”. In order to avoid allegations that you are sockpuppetting. You might want to answer some of the questions that Iain asked you before. Particularly, what stake do you have in this?

1:45 PM

Catweezle said…

Lattecat,

That’s some nice mediation. You want Gread to pull down a site that isn’t hers, whilst Iain refuses to even admit his past mistakes, let alone take responsibility for them. He has also pledged to continue his attacks. You should work for the UN or something.

The facts of Hackgate are as follows:

- It happened over 12 months ago, and nothing similar has happened since.
– Almost all of the Grods crew indicated that they did not approve of such actions.
– Hall’s James Bond style version of events is fanciful, and largely unsubstantiated.
– There is no evidence whatsoever linking the Abby Winters revelations to Hackgate. If Hall has information to the contrary, he should share it. If people assume that Hall spends his days on the internet looking at porn, it may be for reasons other than hackers.
– No personal information about Iain has been shared anywhere. The stuff for which Iain is picked on is readily available online. For instance, see this line:

This is a woeful idea , mainly because UHT milk always tastes so bad. Not it is impossible to drink this stuff bad, but burnt and very processed bad.

You can be sure that Beck would pick on Sear or Loewenstein if that mangled the english language like that.

1:54 PM

Anonymous said…

The (cyberstalking) gang is all here.

1:54 PM

Anonymous said…

Please tell us Catweezle which of the grods crew did approve of hacking Hall’s accounts?

2:02 PM

Catweezle said…

Please tell us Catweezle which of the grods crew did approve of hacking Hall’s accounts?

None whatsoever.

Now tell us which of the Beck circle jerk crew approves of Hall’s stalking, bribing people for personal details, enlisting minors to stalk others (such as Bruce E), setting up fake blogs purporting to be from Grodsters, and contacting peoples’ employers?

2:05 PM

Anonymous said…

Almost all becomes all in 11 minutes.

Is dishonesty the common characteristic of Bridgit’s online stalking gang?

2:08 PM

Royston said…

I am the one who hacked Iains hotmail account. It was pretty easy, I only had to guess the name of his favorite porn star and BAM I was in. Just like Jeff Goldblum hooking up to the alien ship on Independence Day.

Mr Catweezle asks some interesting questions that you wankers havent answered as yet. Especially you Lattecat you dripping knob-end. Do you support Iain Halls online activities as listed by Catweezle??

2:13 PM

Catweezle said…

Almost all becomes all in 11 minutes.

I said almost all the Grodsters made statements explicitly disapproving of Hackgate. All did disapprove, however, irrespective of their statements.

Comprehension isn’t your forte, eh, anon?

2:17 PM

Iain Hall said…

” Catweezele
- It happened over 12 months ago, and nothing similar has happened since.
Non repetition of the crime is probably more down to my more secure passwords rather than a lack of will on the part of the hacker.
- Almost all of the Grods crew indicated that they did not approve of such actions.
Their subsequent actions suggest that their platitudes then mean nothing
- Hall’s James Bond style version of events is fanciful, and largely unsubstantiated.
WTF does this mean? I can prove that THR was using my email account because he did so from the same IP adress as he used fro posting comments on the same day, nothing “James Bond” about that
- There is no evidence whatsoever linking the Abby Winters revelations to Hackgate. If Hall has information to the contrary, he should share it. If people assume that Hall spends his days on the internet looking at porn, it may be for reasons other than hackers.
duh WRONG Bridgit Gread makes it clear in the email correspondence linked to earlier in this thread that the “Abby Winters connection comes from illegal access to my email account.
- No personal information about Iain has been shared anywhere.
Wrong again your pal posting as “Royston” cites my middle name which I have NEVER posted online ANYWHERE, and he chooses the Pseudonym because it is my late fathers first name. Need I go on ?
And Like Gread he lies about what my password was it was something much more bland than that.

2:21 PM

Lattecat said…

Roys… sorry, let me start again “Catweezle”, you said:

“- It happened over 12 months ago, and nothing similar has happened since.”

Wow, not happened again in over 12 months ago. Boasting about not actively breaking the law for over 12 months. Well, other than continuing to make use of the information obtained without permission (see Bridgit’s email conversations with Iain/other people’s comments at Grods).

You also said:
“- Almost all of the Grods crew indicated that they did not approve of such actions.”

That now becomes:
“I said almost all the Grodsters made statements explicitly disapproving of Hackgate”

First point, where? Second point, how do you know? Third point, the first statement is not the same as your second statement.

“All did disapprove, however, irrespective of their statements”

Again, how do you know if you don’t have their statements. Are you one of them? If someone hasn’t made a statement, how do you know what they think? Even if they disapprove, why do they continue to host comments on Grods that make use of the information and why does BG admit that she continues to use that information.

Lastly define “Grodsters”. This is one of the problems we have, there are so many hangers on it’s hard to keep track of whos who.

2:25 PM

yb said…

You’re an angry little bugger aren’t you Royston? Perhaps you were dropped as a baby.
Assuming Iain did do all those things listed by Catweezle, then personally I don’t support them and I’d be surprised if anyone did.
However, I don’t think any of you ‘grods’ crew have actually stated here that hacking in to someone’s email is unacceptable. You all seem to think it’s ok. News flash for you…it’s not and no other behaviour excuses it.

2:25 PM

Lattecat said…

See. This is the extreme nastiness that is associated with this Blogwar. Bridgit, I know you are reading this. Do you approve of:

(a) one of your mates using Iain’s late father’s name as his username?
(b) revealing Iain’s middle name with absolutely no justification.

Come on Bridgit, care to take a stand?

2:29 PM

Royston said…

Iain your password was ‘tracilords04′, dont tell lies because you fantasize over an under age porn star.

As for your middle name well it is quite easily available on line if you know where to look. Like your mate JF Beck says its not stalking if you can find it online.

At least we have something in common, a love of Abby Winters, whos your favorite AW girl Iain?

2:30 PM

Royston said…

Lattecat do you have any evidence that Royston is not my given name? If not then go root a pig. Its not my fault I was given this name.

Upset, comprad;es.

2:32 PM

Catweezle said…

Come on Bridgit, care to take a stand?

Lattecat, you insist that others condemn this and that, when you yourself have repeatedly on this thread turned a blind eye to all of Hall’s bad behaviour. Why shouldn anybody else offer condemnations when you don’t have the cojones to do it yourself?

2:33 PM

Anonymous said…

Sorry if I suspected your honesty Bridgit. You do have a long history of fraud and dealing in stolen property. It is good that you have a new nom de web though.

2:34 PM

Iain Hall said…

“Royston” You are lying either about being the hacker or the password, so you are obviously good company for Greado.
When you cite what the real password was I will believe that you are the hacker.As it stands you are sounding like a bullshit artist wanna be.
BTW I have no reason to lie about what the pass word was because it has of course been changed.

2:35 PM

Anonymous said…

And how did you come by this stolen information Royston?

2:36 PM

Lattecat said…

Royston, you were quite happy for Iain to have his full name on this blog. Give us your full name then so we can independently verify that Royston is your given name and I will withdraw my comment happily and apologise for the allegation.

2:36 PM

Royston said…

so anon 2.34 thinks Im Bridgit and Iain doesnt belive Im the hacker, well I guess that means Bridgit isnt the hacker. Or is Bridgit Catweezle and Tito? Or is Iain Anon 2.34 and Lattecat? And is ARIII Napoleon? Oh man I am soooo confused!

Latte my full name is Royston Charles Beck of West Australia.

Getting bored now, laterzzzz.

2:41 PM

Lattecat said…

Catweezle, no-one has not condemned Iain’s behaviour. Look up the thread, if you like. Iain’s trying to move on though. Bridgit and co are not.

Apologies if I didn’t answer your comment at 2:13 as I don’t tend to respond to comments that appear to be written by a 12 year old trying to be dirty. I also note that you are forgetting which screen name you are using. The commment at 2:13 was from “Royston”. It’s a bit hard to keep up for us, so I can understand why you’d make that mistake.

2:41 PM

Lattecat said…

Royston, no-ones suggested that Bridgit was the hacker. She herself has fingered “THR”. We have no reason to doubt her, seeing that she used the information that was found. However, she could of course be wrong as to who did it. Certainly if she is wrong, if I were THR, I’d be having words with her.

2:43 PM

Catweezle said…

Iain’s trying to move on though.

Yes. To more attack blogs.

You’re a dull boy, latte. I’m neither Bridgit nor Royston.

2:45 PM

Iain Hall said…

Will it surprise anyone that my position is now that the net’s easy anonymity is not such a good thing?

2:48 PM

Lattecat said…

“I’m neither Bridgit nor Royston.”

Well, seeing that I’ve not suggested that you are Bridgit, I’m not surprised. It seems odd that you two suddenly get involved at exactly the same time. One wonders why you hide behind a new screen-name? If you are someone who has a stake in it, surely you could tell us who you are (not your real name, obviously, just what screenname you go by normally)?

2:51 PM

Catweezle said…

Why don’t you reveal yourself, Lattecat? I know you comment here and elsewhere under another name, so why the fake name? Again, you ask others to do the things you won’t do yourself.

2:53 PM

Iain Hall said…

Catweezle would you be John Surname by any chance?
Because the style of argument and obsession with my UHT milk opinion seems very familiar.
I have only one public “attack” blog and it has only become active since Bridgit Gread and Surname began to post articles at Grods attacking me and that only recommenced after after I discovered her sock puppet and told her to bugger off.

2:54 PM

Catweezle said…

Hall, I won’t be revealing my name. We all know what you do with personal details. Needless to say, I’m not who you’d expect, though given your poor track record of outing people, you should probably expect that by now.

Neither Gread nor Surname ‘attacked’ you at Grods. Even if they did, how does that justify you putting up the photos of various Grodsters on your attack blogs, or linking to them on your main blog?

Neit

2:59 PM

Lattecat said…

Catweezle,

Happy to do so. You go first.

3:01 PM

Iain Hall said…

Lattecat
They are cowards all

3:10 PM

Iain Hall said…

Catweezle
lets go through who is in the photos shall we?
John Surname, who’s photo has been published at least once at Grods, Keri James who has her own photos available through a link on her own blog and Scott Bridges who has also published his picture many times.
So the only thing that is “new” is the fact that the photos are not that flattering, as happy snaps often are.
Now despite that post being up for weeks I have not heard a squeak of complaint from Bridges who posted them in the first place. I wonder why?
Oh at Latte cat is not asking for you real name , just the nick you usually post as.

3:18 PM

Catweezle said…

Hall,

Believe it or not, you’re not actually Flickr. You have no business hosting photos of Bridges or anyone else, unless you’re a creep.

Do you also have a Bridges shrine at home?

3:20 PM

Lattecat said…

“just the nick you usually post as”

Yes. It makes conversations easier.

3:33 PM

Iain Hall said…

The inclusion of Bridges and Keri was actually incidental to the post which was to show how Gormless Surname was for making a defence of the indefensible Chaser sketch, the fact that Bridges looks like a stunned mullet was a bonus

3:35 PM

Iain Hall said…

Catweezle
Believe it or not, you’re not actually Flickr. You have no business hosting photos of Bridges or anyone else, unless you’re a creep.

Well by the same token why do you lot post pictures of me at Grods?
Do you have a shrine to me in your home?

3:40 PM

ARIII said…

I don’t think there is any point arguing with the people from Grods.

They are bullies who happily admit to the hacking of someone’s private email account and have happily used (and by all appearances continue to use) that apparently illegally acquired information. Not a one of them seems to have any shame over this and they continue to associate with THR who admits to hacking the account and with Bridgit Gread who admits to using that information.

Like any number of cults they appear to view anyone who raises their ire as being ‘fair game’. We’ve seen this time and again from all the Grods crew and their hangers on. A similar attitude infests the blogs run by Jeremy Sear except there is no evidence that he participated in the illegal activities and even he seems to have tired of the bunch.

They are entirely unrepentant and this can be seen in the way they continue to lie; in the vulgar insults that pepper their writing and in the hopeless manner in which they continue to try to cloud the issue with claims that Iain somehow deserved this.

I have no idea why they think that a bevy of sockpuppets is going to somehow convince us that they were right all along. It doesn’t seem to be something that a sober, non-drugged, moderately intelligent and mentally well adjusted person would think.

4:22 PM

Anonymous said…

ARIII you are right. The key to Giggles A and Giggles B’s attack today is simply this, they wanted to demonstrate that any criticism of Grods and co will be met with massive retaliation. We know your passwords, we know your intimate details even down to your fathers name. Nothing is off limits and we will do anything it takes to shut you up.

Bridgit couldn’t agree to the peace deal discussed here because she is too weak. The others know too much about her and would not let her break ranks like that. She would end up like Iain. At least we have demonstrated how they really operate. They make reasonable people end up wondering how Iain has held out so long against them. I wonder how they square this with their claimed left wing ideals.

7:46 PM

Anonymous said…

I wonder how they square this with their claimed left wing ideals.

Exactly. Because we know all right-wingers are cunts to begin with.

8:31 PM

Anonymous said…

Wow, such big words. Bridgit, is a feminist. How do she square her friends using components of female anatomy as an insult? As a feminist does it bother her? Or does she feel powerless to stop them?

9:06 PM

Ralph Malph said…

Right-wingers believe in personal responsibility. How does every right-wing piss-stain feel about being anonymous on the net? How do they square it with their values?!?1!>?

10:11 PM

Anonymous said…

I think we are taking personal responsibility by protecting ourselves from cyberstalkers like Bridgit Gread and her sock puppets.

10:48 PM

Iain Hall said…

300 comments and The Grodites are shown up for the Cyber-bullies they clearly are.
How is your harassment campaign working for you now Bridgit?
You are further away from being allowed to comment at my blog than you were before and what little credibility you did have is shattered, your true colours revealed.
Result :o)

4:37 AM

Bridgit Gread said…

My “harrasment campaign”? I’m not running any such campaign, Iain. If there are other people here on your case then it’s probably because they’re also the victims of your Googling, your picture-stealing, your attempting outings, your fake-blogging and so forth. I post independently, I don’t encourage or invite others to join me; they act as they see fit. That you think there is a “campaign” just reflects your paranoid delusion about why people give you a hard time on the Internet: it’s all their fault, it’s none of yours.

That said, I do not endorse the comments of the person posting as “Royston” and I think that using the name of someone’s dead father to attack them is despicable. “Catweezle” does, however, raise some very good questions which have not yet been answered by you, Lattecat and your mate ‘David Tan’ (I was wondering what rock he’d been hiding under; obviously this is the rock).

9:15 AM

Anonymous said…

Bridgit, there is a campaign and you know it. Just look at Grods for evidence. I don’t what qs of catweezle I’ve not answered, but list them and I’ll have a go. Lattecat

9:37 AM

Bridgit Gread said…

Bridgit, there is a campaign and you know it. Just look at Grods for evidence.

Lattecat, if there’s a campaign against Hall at Grods then there’s a campaign against Sear, Bridges and Loewenstein at JF Beck. We have plenty of laughs at Hall’s expense but that’s about it.

10:45 AM

Royston said…

Why does Hall think someone would be desperate to comment on his blog. Ive read his blog, its the rambling of a lunatic who is obsessed with Islam and teh gays. I reckon Iain has gay tendencies and was once knocked back by a gay, which explains his view point.

12:16 PM

Anonymous said…

BG, don’t be silly. You know it goes past laughs, look at the Giggles bros here or the illegal email access idiocy. The best advice we can give you is drop it, leave Iain be and don’t associate with anyone trying to keep it going. LC

12:20 PM

ARIII said…

My “harrasment campaign”? I’m not running any such campaign, Iain.

What a pathetic joke.

You have happily admitted that you are!

12:52 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

When and where, ARIII. I’d like to see you support your wild conspiracies with some evidence.

1:33 PM

Anonymous said…

Bridgit, why are you still engaging with this when you’ve you are never going to move on and that Iain is fairgame for whatever you and your mated through at him? Are you seriously happy to be known as a net bully? Because that’s the reputation you’ll have if you continue going after him. LC

2:00 PM

ARIII said…

Bwah Hah Hah!

You are pathetic Bridgit.

Have you seen this publication, Bridgit?

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/htcb/htcb005.html

2:07 PM

ARIII said…

I don’t think Bridgit thinks she has done anything wrong.

It sounds like the mob mentality at work where outsiders are considered fair game and otherwise outrageous behaviour is normalised.

2:13 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

ARIII, you claimed at 1252am that I once “happily admitted” that I’m running a “campaign” against Iain Hall.” I asked you for evidence of where I said this. What I didn’t ask for was a link on hacking offences.

Show us where I said it, ARIII. We wouldn’t want to think you’re making this crap up.

5:12 PM

Iain Hall said…

Bridgit
You said on Wed 2/11/09 9:57 AM
Don’t worry, eventually I might feel like commenting at your blog (sic) and I’ll just use a sockpuppet. And in the meantime you can expect to score a flogging every time you post something utterly stupid or malicious (which, let’s face it, is almost daily).
Bridgit

True to her word (an unusual thing for this queen of lies) she has subsequently written a string of posts and comments at Grods that disparage me.
Porn king pwned

Mac unbigged

Rightard Watch

Let’s all weberloff
Never a cross word…
Payday again for Pauline
Rudd’s Buggery 101

All of which have had some part that can be read as an attack on me
That looks like a campaign to me, Just as you threatened in your email.

6:39 PM

Bridgit Gread said…

Those posts make fun of you, Iain. Some of them make fun of other people as well. Most of the posts at JF Beck make fun of people too. Many of your posts also make fun of people. I think making fun of people is what a lot of bloggers do.

Now – where did I “happily” state that there was a “campaign” against Iain Hall? Not posts responding to the silly or the inane, but a “campaign”. Either you or ARIII may answer.

7:36 PM

Iain Hall said…

You make me laugh Bridgit, or at least you hypocrisy makes me laugh.
If you do something then you claim that it is “making fun” of someone yet you insist that If I or Beck, or anyone else does the same sort of things to your crew that it is actually a criminal act.
And with that I think I shall retire from this thread as I have some work to do on my car which is going to be a whole lot more fun that continuing to argue the toss with you and your cronies.
Cheers Comrade
;o)

5:22 AM

Bridgit Gread said…

OK Iain, don’t hurt yourself. I think I’ll go into town for a couple of lattes and an organic tofu and hummus felafel while I read The Age.

10:39 AM

Bridgit Gread comments at Boltwatch, Bold-Blair watch, Pure Poison and elsewhere

24 Jan

Bridgit Gread
“Ill be stealing a copy from Borders as soon as I see one.”

Hmm, that’s given me an idea. I’ll follow Dutchy’s own advice about Marsden – I’ll wait until it appears in my local library, borrow it, declare it lost and offer them a better book in return.

Tuesday, January 31, 2006, 6:06:31 PM

Bridgit Gread
“Here are some of his best columns”

He hasn’t even written anything new; it’s just a rehash of existing stuff! Why anyone would pay a quarter-of-a-ton to submit themselves to that, I know not. I’d rather torture myself by reading a dozen of his wife’s motherhood-and-apple-pie essays with the oafish expression and incomplete sentences.

Tuesday, January 31, 2006, 6:04:53 PM

http://boltwatch.blogspot.com/2006/01/andrew-bolt-must-know-author.html

Bridgit Gread
I agree, notallright, it was shamefully dishonest and misrepresented both Spielberg’s intentions and various aspects of the movie. I’ve seen the movie and it is nothing like Bolt’s description of it: for one, Bolt claims there’s no visual images of Palestinian terrorists murdering Olympians when the damn film opens with scenes of this. Dutchy claims it attacks Israel; Roger Ebert says it demonstrates a “deep love for Israel”. When I read his column I wondered exactly what movie Bolt watched.

His underlying assertion is that the only people who have crises-of-conscience are those who sit back in comfy homes and make nice art; those who fight and govern cannot occupy themselves with such matters of ethics and morality. It’s a self-defeating argument in itself. While Spielberg’s movie ponders the fact that killing in self-defence is still killing, Dutchy wants us to believe it is, in fact, something of a noble pursuit. Whatever the case, an op-ed columnist like Bolt attacking a film-maker for factual imbalance and misrepresentation reaches hypocrisy of stellar proportions. I wonder which hard-liner whispered into Bolt’s ear prior to his writing this column, because I doubt he could have come up with these ludicrous ideas himself.

Sunday, February 12, 2006, 10:21:30 PM

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http://boltwatch.blogspot.com/2006/02/andrew-bolt-82-fear-is-not-funny-102.html
Anyone for a game of Andy Bolt Bingo?

http://www.crikey.com.au/sealed/editions/A8MS3UVGPYA6FK7GAYYSKUVUT0G/full.html#2006/02/27-0932-1820

Thursday, March 02, 2006, 4:33:02 PM

http://boltwatch.blogspot.com/2006/02/bolt-responsorama.html

Saturday, March 25, 2006, 1:15:56 AM

Bridgit Gread
“Please, don’t interject at this point and claim that the war was carried out in order to “steal Iraq’s oil”. That makes you look like a child.”

No more childish than to claim it was carried out to locate alleged weapons of mass destruction.

“Neocons want the reverse. We want to clear out dictators – of all shades – so that people can govern themselves.”

That’s a nice thought Mike but I’m afraid it doesn’t compute. There are dozens of dictators in the world, some tin-pot and not worth bothering about, some barbarous, violent and vile. Saddam was not the worst despot in the world in 2003 yet he was apparently the one most deserved of US intervention, after being allowed to remain in power in 1992 and after 15 years of salutary neglect before that. The US doesn’t go after dictators on moral grounds; it goes after them either because they’ve turned rogue and/or have outlived their usefulness – or because of overwhelming financial incentive. In Saddam’s case I’d suggest both were true. Either way the moral card is swallowed by nobody capable of a mere skerrick of critical reasoning.

Friday, March 24, 2006, 10:21:21 PM

Bridgit Gread
I take a utilitarian view with regards to sex: if it feels good and it hurts nobody, then by all means it should be legal and socially accepted. On that basis homosexuality is fine with me, whereas paedophilia and bestiality are not. I also don’t believe gay people ‘choose’ their sexuality; I’m not sure who would choose what can be, in days past and present, such a persecuted existence.

Still, I’ve always thought that relationships between male and female, both for procreation and parenting, are part of the natural order (and I mean “natural” here in its environmental sense, not in a pejorative one). I see homosexuality as a product of social rather than biological urges. These views have led to some interesting and volatile discussions with my more militant gay friends, but they are my views nonetheless.

Friday, March 24, 2006, 3:58:25 PM

Bridgit Gread
“I’ve waited a long time for her to stuff up”

I think you need to find better things to do, SB.

“Still, I don’t think she can claim moral superiority for mocking someone’s spelling.”

Moral superiority, no. Better literacy, yes. And as a rule, spelling doesn’t overly concern me: I only pull people up on spelling when they themselves engage in rhetorical nit-picking, which strikes me as grossly hypocritical when they can’t find the correct order of letters in a word.

Thursday, March 23, 2006, 6:49:20 PM

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(I’m only doing this because you’ve made an issue of typos before. They are completely unimportant except where they add character to a post, in which case they are good.)

Thursday, March 23, 2006, 5:32:59 PM

Bridgit Gread
“Proposed Marriage Ceremonies by type:

Bestiality:
Man: I do. Fluffy: Woof?

Necrophilia:
Man: I do. Corpse: *head falls off*”

Boltophilia:
Man: I do. Andrew Bolt: So do I.

Blogophilia:
Man: I do. Iain Hall: yes but through superier detective work I have unvailed your identity, now I will post it all over the web even if it puts an end to my credability

Abbaphilia:
Man: I do. ABBA: I do I do I do I do

(Sorry, I couldn’t resist)

Thursday, March 23, 2006, 5:19:31 PM

Wednesday, March 22, 2006, 12:48:39 PM

Bridgit Gread
The argument is not that homosexuality is akin to paedophila et al but that permissiveness and liberal social values will eventually allow them to gain acceptance – just as same-sex relationships were once a historical evil, now they are tolerated. This is an argument often trotted out by the far Right in the US (sometimes just before they fire-bomb gay nightclubs, the terrorists!)

To be fair to Bolta, I’m not entirely convinced that his reply means he agreed with the content of that post. It must be mind-numbing sifting through dozens of rants like that, expected to come up with some kind of reply – yet if you either cull their post or refute their sillier arguments, it’ll only make them hang around or (worse) bring them out in greater numbers. It’s probably better to make some kind of vague but brief comment like “So do I” and send them on their way, at least partly satisfied, so they can go picket abortion clinics or claim to be abducted by aliens. Face it – we’ve all seen ludicrous comments on blogs that we don’t reply too because they’re either too silly or because replying would unleash the floodgates of purgatory.

Wednesday, March 22, 2006, 12:22:00 PM

http://boltwatch.blogspot.com/2006/03/in-which-andrew-dogwhistles-disturbing.html

Sunday, March 12, 2006, 11:51:30 PM

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Bridgit Gread
Just a quick look around the web and I see Iain is still up to his old tricks again: more of the usual garbage but also publication of more pictures and e-mail addresses. I’m beginning to think his interests may extend past the political and into the personal. Watch your back, Mr Lefty, this guy has taken a very unnatural liking to you.

Sunday, March 12, 2006, 3:20:27 PM

Bridgit Gread
“Personally, I think Bolt’s comments in the forum this week were revealing. A supposed female described him as ‘hot’. Unless this female is deficient in both hearing and sight, we can safely conclude that ‘she’ was being ironic.”

Yes, and witness his reply: ‘where were you when I was a teenager’, and a ham-fisted metaphor about women, expensive sports cars and older men. Welcome to your middle-life crisis, Andrew … perhaps Sally should be keeping a tighter rein.

Incidentally, I don’t advocate or wish to see the posting of Bolt’s address in any shape or form, or for any reason. Leave the trollery and revelations of personal details to low-rent bloggers like Iain Hall.

Thursday, March 09, 2006, 9:26:08 PM

Bridgit Gread
This whole issue of person X or person Y choosing to post anonymously is just a convenient decoy. The content of an article or a post, how valid and reasoned its arguments are, should be what matters – not whether the author cares to identify him/herself. It’s certainly true that many of Bolt’s own forum posters either use obvious psuedonyms or just a Christian name, though if they agree with or echo him then this is never an issue. By the same token Bolt condemns Mr Lefty for choosing to run Boltwatch anonymously, while the two buffoons who spent weeks over Christmas posting his alleged identity about the place did so using nom de plumes themselves. I’m not sure what’s sillier: the Right’s fascination with ‘outing’ anonymous posters from the Left or condemning them as gutless… or their hypocritical willingness to include and protect anonymous posters in their own fold.

Wednesday, March 08, 2006, 10:56:29 PM

Bridgit Gread
By the way, with regard to Paul Fox, how do you “accidentally click on a blogsite”? It seems to me that to do this, you actually have to be surfing a place where it’s linked – and chances are that’s going to be a Left- or Right-wing blog. Fox’s post seems like rather a convenient Dorothy Dixer dished up for Bolt to respond to; then again that could be one-third of the posts that appear on his forum.

Wednesday, March 08, 2006, 9:26:44 PM

Bridgit Gread
Typical Bolt rhetoric: ‘my enemies are running scared and I have nothing to fear from them’. Trouble is, I don’t see myself as Bolt’s nemesis and I doubt Mr Lefty does either; we just occasionally comment on his less-rational missives. And quite frankly even they are becoming boring: Bolt is turning into a stale parody of himself, going to the same well over and over and over again, while he and his court claim a monopoly on ‘facts’, ‘truth’ and ‘common sense’. I don’t think Bolt needs enemies; I think given his lack of new ideas, he’s his own worst enemy.

And Dutchy, we know you read Boltwatch on a regular basis – not because of its quality or lack thereof but simply because you’re far too ego-driven to resist. Now, you can sell your gullible readership this red herring that you just happened to glance at it, but some of us – some of us who are ex-News scribes – know you better than that. The fact you are reading this bears me out, doesn’t it?

Wednesday, March 08, 2006, 9:20:27 PM

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Thursday, April 20, 2006, 1:42:48 AM

Bridgit Gread
Yet another example of Bolt’s silly logic; it’s almost as if he’s being sucked down the deadline plughole and has to grasp for a column topic. ‘Commander-in-Chief’ failed because of a variety of things, chiefly poor writing, simplistic plots and an unfathomable premise (a female president, academic, not aligned with a party? Pfft.) And as you rightly point out, The West Wing is also about a left-leaning president and it’s in its seventh year. The majority of successful actors and comedians are liberal or leftist too. Get a grip, Dutchy – or perhaps a looser one.

Thursday, April 20, 2006, 12:00:30 AM

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Bridgit Gread
On a almost completely unrelated matter, take a look at Mrs Bolt’s fortnightly contribution to News Ltd, ‘Tiny tyrant a playground thug’ (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,18903718%255E5000113,00.html) – and pay particular attention to the last few paras. Let’s hope Bolt Jnr isn’t as economical with the truth and liberal with exaggeration as Dad is, or more kiddies at that school might have Mother Bolt whispering a few direct threats into their ears.

Tuesday, April 25, 2006, 4:01:40 PM

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Sunday, April 23, 2006, 9:47:25 PM

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Bridgit Gread
Yes Fluffy, you are essentially right. Menzies was not ‘for’ the Indonesian acquisition of West Papua by any stretch – but neither did he strongly oppose it, meekly acquiescing to Kennedy like an obedient schoolboy. Whitlam’s and Fraser’s response to the invasion of East Timor in 1975 was equally incorrigible. West Papua was eventually gifted to Indonesia in a sham election conducted by the UN (mentioned in this article, http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,18744149-7583,00.html).

Sunday, April 23, 2006, 7:54:34 PM

Saturday, April 22, 2006, 2:19:24 PM

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Bridgit Gread
It was a ludicrous column. It’s not surprising to see Bolt echoing Howard and providing peachy rider notes for Liberal Party policy – but really, the manner in which he has gone about it here is ridiculous. The West Papuan independence movement is not some trendy, half-baked cause celebre cooked up by latte-leftists, like Dutchy’s column implies; it’s legitimate resistance to violent occupation that’s been going on since the 1960s when Kennedy and Menzies handed Dutch New Guinea to Indonesia on a silver plate. Amnesty and the UN both register the numbers of Indonesian-sponsored deaths there in six figures. And here is Bolt, trying to explain it away with his usual smoke-and-mirrors. And the Indonesians – those poor Indonesians, why they’re just a struggling, burgeoning democracy and Yudhyono a reformist hero. If Bolt genuinely believes this then he is a fool.

I’m always amazed how the Right can use self-determination, or lack thereof, as a justification for unmitigated wars – yet it goes out the window very quickly then there’s bigger fish on the table. Not that there’s anything conspiratorial or ulterior about Bolt’s column here; it’s just an Indonesian arse-kissing job to follow up Howard’s, thus making the PM seem so utterly rational. But I’m sure Andrew can sleep easy at night, regardless of his gross hypocrisy.

Friday, April 21, 2006, 10:10:30 PM

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Bridgit Gread
Given that Bolt constantly obsesses about the Left, it’s no surprise that he’s a sympathist for McCarthy, a figure for whom any sensible person would struggle to empathise with. Dutchy would probably like to see a HUAC purge of the ABC, Fairfax, the bureaucracy, schools, museums, art galleries et al. In fact, I’m sure he’d volunteer to be chief interrogator.

Monday, May 29, 2006, 11:59:14 AM

Bridgit Gread
Bolt’s attempt to link gay marriage with polygamy on ‘The Insiders’ was utterly silly, and was shown to be so at the time. What you see in today’s column is evidence of Dutchy’s self-recognition that he looked like a goose then, followed by a rather devious attempt to justify his comments on the ABC. Bolt is clearly on the back foot here and the more he argues, the bigger the hole becomes.

None of the arguments presented by Bolt or his blog-acolytes hold water. The fundamental precept of marriage is union between two consenting adults; only the gender is at issue here. Polygamy, bestiality, paedophilia et al breach that fundamental precept in a clear and unmitigated fashion; therefore they would never be socially acceptable, despite Bolt’s assertions and his reference to Muslims and Africans (cue voodoo music). His claim that “most Australians” are opposed to gay marriage is not supported either; I actually suspect that most could not care less if it doesn’t affect them.

Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 11:07:05 PM

http://boltwatch.blogspot.com/2006/06/bolt-216-we-thee-wed.html

Bridgit Gread
“small-minded undergraduate twaddle”? You may be right Paul. But let’s face it: this is a blog, not a university tutorial – and people come here to either relax a bit or to vent their spleen, not to write a referenced thesis. There is also no minimum educational requirement for posting to Boltwatch, nor is there some prescribed academic standard that all posts must meet.

The people who post here are, from my observations, good people who take issue with Bolt’s columns, most of which are exaggerated the-sky-is-falling rants and the worst a malicious, hyperbolic nonsense. Boltwatch posters are not hate-filled miscreants or storm-trooping lieutenants of the Left, as Bolt himself would have you believe. They post here with a good mix of humour, sarcasm, informed comment and rebuttal. Sure they have reasonably firm views but I don’t think they are “small-minded” (certainly no more than Bolt himself). And they don’t take themselves anywhere near as seriously as Bolt himself does – which is probably why he describes Boltwatch as ‘adolescent’, because Mr Lefty’s quirky tone doesn’t adopt the panicky, enemy-at-the-gates siege-mentality of Bolt’s own writing.

So that’s why Boltwatch seems ‘undergraduate’ to you, Paul. Now, given that you’ve jumped in boots-first and insulted just about everyone who posts here, why not stick around and show us how it’s done? I’ll wait, but I shan’t hold my breath.

Saturday, July 15, 2006, 7:02:18 PM

Bridgit Gread
I do wonder at Bridgit and her/his posting so oftern on that site. She/He is obviously smart and I can’t see what is gained by posting there.

Absolutely nothing, Craigy. I go Hall’s blogs not for intelligent debate but to relieve stress and to torment the perpetually stupid (something I’m not allowed to do at work). However Hall’s ranting and Tan’s abuse is getting so boring and repetitive that I think I’ll give it away. It’s a wonder they’ve held my attention this long.

Friday, July 14, 2006, 5:35:50 PM

Bridgit Gread
You can pick into my grammar and punctuation as much as you want, does not phase me at all. Really it would be like me critiquing (spelling it correctly?) a attempt by you to write some code or a SQL statement.

It would be nothing like that, chiefly because English is a fundamental means of communication and code/SQL are technical tools in a niche enterprise. I don’t know many people who walk around communicating in code; everyone speaks English or some other language. And most of them don’t confuse “his” and “he’s” in the middle of chastising other people, thereby embarrassing themselves significantly.

Thursday, July 13, 2006, 11:30:37 PM

Bridgit Gread
It reminds me very strongly of that thoroughly idiotic Iain Hall and his disgusting toady Tan and their attempts to professionally damage Bridgit Gread when they thought they had discovered her true identity.

Those two thoroughly deserve each other, Mondo. Tan is just a foul-mouthed, simple-minded buffoon and Hall writes like a dyslexic who’s swallowed a thesaurus.

Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 11:27:31 PM

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http://boltwatch.blogspot.com/2006/07/oh-no-andrew-doesnt-like-boltwatch.html

Bridgit Gread
On the subject of blogging, anonymity and employers:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,19839222-23109,00.html

Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 1:29:10 AM

Bridgit Gread
Yes, dealt with a million times over, usually by people using psuedonyms themselves:

‘AdamCMelb’
‘Jason Hansford’
‘David Tan’
‘niceperson’
‘Craig’

The irony of that never ceases to amazes me. Apparently you can’t criticise Bolt while using a psuedonym but they can criticise your criticisms from behind one.

Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 2:12:33 PM

Bridgit Gread
I think it’s pretty obvious (to me, at least) as to young Jason’s identity. I don’t think he’s a stranger to this site at all.

I was thinking exactly the same thing, petal – but thought it might just have been my suspicious mind at work so I gave the writer the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, if ‘Jason’ is not really Jason and is lying about his ‘identity’, it makes a mockery of his argument.

MrL chucks hand grenades beneath a cloak of anonymity – he does not have to take any responsibility for his writings at all.

Mr Lefty is a private citizen commenting on a major media outlet in a functioning democracy. He is not ‘chucking hand grenades’ – he writes on a blog and some people choose to come and visit it. Some of them, like me and you (rather hypocritically) choose to use pseudonyms when we visit. Mr Lefty is held responsible by those who care to disagree with his writing – although there are few that actually do, most preferring abuse or sniping about his identity.

AdamC, most prominent right-wing bloggers that I have read have used a pseudonym. That didn’t preclude them from holding strong opinions about many columnists or politicians. Nor I might add did it make me think that they were somehow shirking responsibility: I was still able to take them as seriously as they deserved to be taken.

Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 1:12:30 PM

Bridgit Gread
If you believe in freedom of speech, Jason, then you’d also accept that Mr Lefty chooses to remain anonymous, and you’d respect his decision to do so. As he has pointed out, it is a decision made to protect his professional life; I use a psuedonym for the same reason. Not all employers respect the rights of their employees to hold dissenting political views and to express them in the public domain. And Andrew Bolt himself is not beyond drawing attention to those who disagree with him, in order to create personal and professional discomfort for them. And beyond that, I simply don’t think people need to know: one’s ability to communicate, rationalise and argue should stand alone.

It seems to me that you are trolling by suggesting that Boltwatch exists for “nefarious reasons” or that it reflects “badly” on its creator. You seem to disagree with the content and/or the tone of Boltwatch, which is fine – but why not comment on or rebut that, instead of making accusations about Mr Lefty being “spineless” for choosing to remain anonymous? That in itself seems to be a fairly simplistic method of attack.

Monday, July 17, 2006, 8:14:45 PM

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Jason, you could have made that last post anonymously – however you chose to use what I presume is your real name. And you know what? I still have no idea of who you are. To me, you are a faceless voice attached to a name I’ve never heard of. I only know you by your posts and the value of your ideas and arguments. Perhaps Mr Lefty does not want to ‘become famous’, be ‘meaningfully quotable’ or win your respect … perhaps he just wants his ideas and arguments to be heard. Either way, that’s his decision to make – not yours or mine.

Monday, July 17, 2006, 6:45:01 PM

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Bridgit Gread
Forgive me for being cynical but I can’t see the commenting policy at Bolt-Blog becoming remarkably liberal. It’s still Andrew Bolt, after all (assuming he’s still doing the moderation and hasn’t handballed it off to other HS staff). I think the same old issues such as the SNIP, the dodging and weaving, the insults and putdowns won’t evaporate.

I think Derik hit the nail on the head in his earlier post: it is restructing done to keep pace with the competition. Plus the forum would, I expect, take a great deal of time to administer; a blog is less labour-intensive.

PS. Derik, the “young fellow” over at that other “-watch” is not so young – he just writes like it. Cheers.

Monday, July 17, 2006, 3:47:10 PM

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Bridgit Gread
You are evil, Mr Lefty. The poor bugger will give himself a headache scrutinising and re-reading every comment for the next few days, wondering if they are derived from sarcastic Boltwatch posters.

Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 6:36:22 PM

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http://boltwatch.blogspot.com/2006/07/competition.html

Bridgit Gread
Bolt rarely provides sources and when he does I’m always sceptical about their reliability. On checking, many of the ‘reliable sources’ he specifically mentions turn out to be interest groups or right-leaning thinktanks. Sourcewatch.org is always handy to have when you actually do see him hyperlinking or naming a source.

Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 10:36:13 PM

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Bridgit Gread
Mr Lefty, check your e-mail, there should be one from me.

Sunday, August 20, 2006, 1:42:29 PM

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Monday, August 21, 2006
Bolt 18/8: “History is History”

Guest post by Bridgit Gread.

It was only a matter of time before Andrew Bolt jumped onboard the history-is-facts express currently being coal-fed by Howard, Bishop and friends.

For those who have been hiding under a rock lately, history has been in the news because John Howard favours a “root and branch renewal” of both the content and method of teaching history – particularly Australian history – in our primary and secondary schools. He seems to think that history classes have collapsed into a mish-mash of “themes and issues” and that there aren’t enough ‘facts’ and ‘structured narratives’ being learned.

Implicit in Howard’s argument is Bolt’s oft-ridden hobby-horse about politically correct and/or leftist teachers pushing some kind of Marxist party line in the classroom. There’s also a Windschuttlesque hatred of post-modernist question-everything-accept-nothing epistemology.

In his most recent column, Bolt trundles out the same old wheelbarrow full of teacher-preacher paranoia and anti-postmodernist slogans and sound-bites. Not much that’s new, just another reshuffling of the word-magnets on the fridge.

Want examples of what I mean, and what it leads to? Hear Anne Curthoys, the Australian National University’s Manning Clark Professor of History: “Many academics in the humanities and social sciences now reject the notion that one can objectively know the facts… Many take this even further, and argue that knowledge is entirely an effect of power, that we can no longer have any concept of truth at all.”
Now, I’m not completely distant from Bolt here: post-modernism has indeed produced some wacky research exotica and it does have its fair-share of excessive nihilism – at some point you need to stop questioning everything and start believing something. However for Bolt to echo Windschuttle’s line that post-modernism has cast its evil tendrils far and wide, and is eroding Western intellectual traditions in all or even most universities and schools, is just hysterical clap-trap. I’d suggest that most educators are actually concerned with developing more practical skills, like locating evidence, analysis, independent research, critical thinking and empathy for other points-of-view (something Bolt, had he stayed at university a little longer, may have acquired).

I think it was Julie Bishop, a something-or-other in the government of what’s-his-face, who said an important thing somewhere the other day. Facts matter… History with facts… “History is history.”
Facts are pivotal to history and indeed to all knowledge, but measured in isolation or out of context they are lifeless, cruel and mean little or nothing. The past is a trillion facts but history is merely a human attempt to network them and to make sense of their meaning; because people are different, the meaning of histories will invariably be different.

Because history has lately become the domain of anyone who wants to study it – and not craggy-faced elitist old dons, hidden away in dusty libraries – its meanings have become even more numerous and diverse. Historians like Clare Wright, a young doctoral student who researched the social phenomenon of hotels in 18th century Melbourne, have added to this expanding, living discipline:

She [Wright] wrote: “There is no question that even after post-graduate training in history, I have emerged with a shaky grasp of the facts. I am a product of a thoroughly post-modern education, schooled to seek and interpret a multiplicity of voices, competing narratives and diverse texts. The order of Australian prime ministers is beyond me; the dates of even key events would see me flailing. But I am also a child of the Information Age. Isn’t that why God invented Google?”

Oh, dear. You too, child?
Wright was, of course, suggesting that a modern tertiary education is more concerned with research skills than rote learning of valueless facts. These days those same facts can be located and checked in seconds.

Interesting that Bolt, in his inimitable condescending manner, chooses to ridicule Wright for being proud of the research skills her education has given her – yet he then goes on to castigate Terry Lane for essentially failing to check his facts on Jessie Macbeth. Lane could even have used Google (which is, I might add, the most oft-used fact-checking device for journalists).

Federal education minister Julie Bishop herself was door-stopped by a reporter on the day of the summit and asked the names of the first Westerners to cross the Blue Mountains (it’s Blaxland, Wentworth and Lawson but she couldn’t answer). Would Bolt crucify her for not knowing something that Howard might demand as a cornerstone of Australian national identity? Would Bolt himself leap from the top of News’ Docklands complex for getting the ‘facts’ of Iraqi WMD as wrong as he did?

History is certainly important and has undoubtedly changed – but there’s no sinister agenda or fatal ‘problem’ in how it’s being studied, learned and taught. It has appeared on the agenda as a wedge issue … as Kim Beazley says, an “elite preoccupation” to take the focus off more threatening problems for the government. If Howard and Bolt are so keen on establishing a cult of facts-and-truth in schools, perhaps they could set a shining example and unfurl it first in parliament and on the pages of the Herald-Sun. I’ll wait and see … but history suggests it won’t happen.

MrLefty’s response to the “New History” debate can be found here.

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Bridgit Gread
You make a good point, flagg. Howard, Bishop and friends can make all the noise they want about changing history curricula – but they won’t change history teachers who will, if they are good at their job, teach their students to question, analyse and empathise. Still, I don’t think that he seriously expects much change: it’s just another smokescreen issue and another stick with which to hammer away at the states, universities and teachers. And while all this is going on it’s interest rates going up, petrol prices through the roof and more troops to Afghanistan – yee hah.

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Albrechtsen’s column was so predictable I could just about have written it for her.

When I asked my 12-year-old daughter what she has learned about the so-called stolen generation, she said whites wrongly stole children from indigenous families. She shows me a poem in her school source materials called Took the Children Away.

Actually, Janet dear, it’s not a poem but the lyrics of a song – quite a well-known one – by Archie Roach.

It starts: “This story’s right, this story’s true” and describes children being “snatched from their mother’s breast”. The poem taught her a half-truth. Many children were removed for their own welfare, taken from families unable or unwilling to care for them.

And therein lies the problem: a single event suddenly becomes a ‘half-truth’ because there are contrasting or contradictory events. How does Albrechtsen, in all her Murdochian wisdom, know the actual truth about the subject of this poem-that-was-actually-a-song? She doesn’t – but it doesn’t stop her speculating that because some children were removed for legitimate reasons, the credibility of other stories is diminished. It seems she’s guilty of the same historical skulduggery that she alleges of others.

Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 12:52:37 PM

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See what I mean? You’re just here to be insulting – and you’re not even very creative at that.

Tuesday, August 22, 2006, 7:13:59 PM

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I made it clear in the article that I’m not a believer in complete and utter relativism; in my view, some things are as they are and are not open to question. I also don’t think you need to cling to relativism and moral ambivalence to be a ‘leftie’ either (that’s more the real of post-modernists and anarchists). Marxists, for example, are economic determinists who believe in the inevitability of class inequality, exploitation and so forth.

http://www.spinstartshere.com/ – for what it’s worth.

Tuesday, August 22, 2006, 5:42:25 PM

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Bridgit- It just goes to show that politeness and spitefulness, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder doesn’t it.

Nonsense. Politeness, spitefulness, rudeness and abuse are clear and unambiguous things. Considering that you materialised here and complained about “the names I have been called on this site in the past 12 hours”, it’s a bit rich to be playing the relativist well-its-all-just-a-matter-of-opinion card. Blair’s cohort not only abuse and ridicule those who dissent but they take delight in doing it; Blair himself often incites them. If you want evidence then I suggest you go over there are find a couple of long threads, then watch it all unfurl; what happens here is not a patch on it.

Tuesday, August 22, 2006, 4:16:58 PM

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WhoCares:
You do make a reasonable point, however I genuinely think (and the evidence would support this) that the spite that emerges on Blair’s site far exceeds what appears here. The regulars here may be almost or equally as fixed in their views, however on the whole they are considerably more polite – and more likely to respond on points of fact and evidence, rather than with slurs. That’s not to say that they are bad people – or that those here are good or bad… I reckon the Internet does strange things to some people’s behaviour.

Scott:
I agree too that Australian history needs more emphasis; I haven’t found anyone who has argued otherwise – the debate really is about the method rather than the amount. Howard probably does hold genuine beliefs but it’s a matter of priorities: exactly how important is this particular issue?

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Que, Menzies’ economic affiliations were more with Asia and the US but his political and cultural affection lay with Britain (I seem to remember the Queen made him Lord Warden of the Privies or some other pointless title, in recognition of his brown-nosing). Howard certainly shares this tendency of supplication towards Her Maj, as well as Menzies’ fascination with ‘Middle Australia’ (ie. the people who voted for him).

WhoCares, give us something concrete and coherent, and I’ll be happy to comment on it. From your past couple of efforts you just appear like a goading troll who has swum across the pond from Blair, TSSH or one of the other web-based insult repositories.

Tuesday, August 22, 2006, 10:01:51 AM

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bridgit

Posted February 21, 2009 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

I’d like to point out to readers that if you ever read one of my comments and it doesn’t make sense, contains spelling errors or you simply don’t agree with it – just relax and ignore, since it was written by a right-winger pretending to be me.

Further questions about pretending to be someone/something else can be directed to skepticlawyer, who is the expert in this field.

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bridgit

Posted February 21, 2009 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

Iain, Demidenko/Darville/Dale profited from her charade and managed to con a literate audience, if only briefly.

All I did was get someone to slip a creepy dullard a false name, before sitting back to watch them implode. No comparison really. I didn’t even get a bottle of Scotch!

Hey, you still getting that fortnightly porn newsletter in your e-mail?

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bridgit

Posted February 25, 2009 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

All that stuff about it being the sub’s fault is a crock of manure. I’m a sub and have been for many years, and one of the first laws of sub-editing is that you don’t cut attribution, you don’t cut substantiation and you don’t cut the subject’s right of reply. If space is so tight that you can’t run a story without those cuts then you find another page – or hold the whole thing over until there’s room.

Joe Hildebrand’s whoops-I-couldn’t-squeeze-it-in-before-deadline routine is hilarious. If he couldn’t get comment out of Maltby then the story should have at least acknowledged the fact that he had tried.

Don’t be bothered about Bolt’s rant. By prattling on about the “writing class” he is ipso facto excluding himself from them. So welcome to the “non-writing class”, Andy.

What’s more deceitful is his representation of the 1999 referendum, that 55% chose to retain the Queen. The question of whether we should retain the monarchy was not a direct element of this poll at all. Instead, the people were asked to vote on a shallow and awkward republican model, conceived by a party whose upper echelons didn’t want it to succeed.

Bridgit Gread Oct 7th, 2008 at 5:50 am

Very informative and a very good read, @ndy. The guy was a relative unknown to me before seeing him on Q&A; I just wrote a short post commenting on Tom’s astounding historical literacy re: Palin and Truman.

A coincidence?

27 Jan

bridgit-gread-revealed1Why are the IP addresses the same here ?

I think that I may just have discovered just who Bridgit Gread’s sock puppet at my blog is.

W & W 4

1 Aug

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

That’s the way, MK. You tell him. You tell him!

From Those who live by the petrol bomb , shall die(slowly) by it., 2007/08/04 at 3:23 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Oh don’t get me wrong, E, I agree with that. I’m not a militant vegan, like most people I enjoy a good steak or a nice roast chicken, and if we are going to eat meat then things necessarily have to die. However that doesn’t mean they have to suffer.
I do agree with Iain’s statement that stunning animals before slaughter is the most humane option. I just wonder why Iain’s radar never picks up these things until there’s some connection with Islam or the Middle East, there’s as many inhumane practices enacted on animals which aren’t destined for export.

From Halal or Kosher slaughter, 2007/08/04 at 3:28 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

There’s no story here. The ad is quite clear about the process, ethnic minorities are “encouraged” to apply but others aren’t necessarily excluded. My guess is that ‘Bola Odusi’ is a moron. I’m surprised you didn’t pick that up yourself Iain.

PS. The girl is tasty, I’d give her one.

From “English girl barred from Government job…because she is wrong kind of white”, 2007/08/06 at 9:03 AM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

So this whole ‘affair’ is a form of apartheid? That’s about the lamest, limpest analogy I’ve ever seen produced in a conversation.

I’ve looked at the Race Relations Act and its subsequent amendments, it is simple anti-discrimination legislation and it contains no section or clause offering ethnic minorities preferential treatment ahead of ‘white’ Britons. The only ‘problem’ is that some desk jockey doesn’t know the law and how it works (hardly a surprise) and answered the question incorrectly. It’s a pathetic beat-up fuelled by an attention-seeking girl, a rabble-rousing tabloid and a look-it’s-PC-gone-mad blogger.

From “English girl barred from Government job…because she is wrong kind of white”, 2007/08/06 at 6:23 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Probably not here, because you only blog about Muslims in a perjorative tone. I doubt you’d be too interested in the misfortunes of this girl if her name was Hamza or Yasmina.
Incidentally, the law wasn’t “perverted” by a desk jockey, simply misinterpreted. The words of Bola Odusi have no binding effect other than as fodder for panic merchants.

From “English girl barred from Government job…because she is wrong kind of white”, 2007/08/06 at 7:42 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Your suggestion about my radar is entirely off the mark as I hold all animal cruelty in the name of religion to be contemptible.
Why does it have to be committed in the name of religion to be “contemptible”? Like you I’m an atheist, however I consider all cruelty to animals to be abhorrent, whether it’s intentional, incidental or accidental. And as has been pointed out, there’s plenty of it perpetrated here within our own shores by more secular causes.

From Halal or Kosher slaughter, 2007/08/06 at 7:47 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Yeah but it’s not necessarily unjust or racist, is it? It’s just a cock-up by Bola Odusi and a beat-up by the Daily Mail, avidly repeated by you. If there’s a true injustice against anyone, white or otherwise, I’ll join with you in condemning it. But this is not a scandal, and I’m surprised you are wasting your time and risking your credibility by maintaining that it is.

From “English girl barred from Government job…because she is wrong kind of white”, 2007/08/07 at 8:20 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

And the usual bunch of leftists turn up to make excuses for one of their own schemes blowing up in their faces.

Nope, I’m no fan of affirmative action, never have been. It’s just that this story is baloney and I’m trying to point this out to those who seem to have some kind of reading dysfunction. And with that in mind, it’s no surprise to see you here, MK.

From “English girl barred from Government job…because she is wrong kind of white”, 2007/08/07 at 11:04 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Any alternative fuel systems you know of that are worth exploring, Iain? I’ve seen a car that runs on super-compressed air that has a range of 150+ miles, can do about 80km/h and emits water vapour. Still not ideal but better than this monstrosity.

From “The worst car in the world?” according to Jeremy, 2007/08/07 at 11:09 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

That’s true, although I was actually thinking ahead to when there is no oil, rather than the reduction of any environmental impact. I like the sound of bio diesel too but I wonder about the volume of agricultural production needed to produce fuel for a nation of cars. It will be interesting to see what our children are driving in a decade or two.

From “The worst car in the world?” according to Jeremy, 2007/08/08 at 6:15 PM
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster

This one might be more up your alley Iain, goes from 0-100km/h in four seconds, top speed of 200km/h and can run 300kms-plus on a single charge. Be prepared to fork out $US100k though!

From “The worst car in the world?” according to Jeremy, 2007/08/08 at 11:32 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

I would’ve thought that the only dates taken to Harry Potter movies were 13 year old girls.

From Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, 2007/08/09 at 4:14 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Apparently the recharge time is about four hours on a mains circuit, not sure if faster speeds can be achieved with a dedicated recharging station. I agree the range is going to make long drives in the country or family holidays difficult, then again if petrol is $10 a litre or unavailable, it’s better than nothing.

From “The worst car in the world?” according to Jeremy, 2007/08/09 at 4:17 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

PS. I hear talk that electric cars may have artificial noise generators to replicate the sound of internal combustion engines. Which reminds me of the now smoke-free English pubs which are pumping in artificial tobacco smells to combat the rampant pong of smelly Poms :-)

From “The worst car in the world?” according to Jeremy, 2007/08/09 at 4:19 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Your maritime possessions are not the issue here, neither is the colour scheme you choose for them.
Fair cop, Iain. If you are going to ask others to forgive your own somewhat dubious spelling, it’s a bit rich to be making fun of someone else’s typos.

From “English girl barred from Government job…because she is wrong kind of white”, 2007/08/10 at 11:51 AM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

What next, “Jihad Joe and his Amazing Thermonuclear Overcoat”? “Allah-spell”? “The Mufti of the Opera”?

From A couple of amusing vids from You tube, 2007/08/10 at 11:54 AM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Did you use fake ID?

From A couple of amusing vids from You tube, 2007/08/10 at 4:28 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

So your comparisons with the Victorian experience is rather shallow and as
I know absolutely Zip about the details of the Kennet reformations there…

If you know “absolutely zip” about what Kennett did, how can you declare Craigy’s comparison to be “shallow”? What Beattie is doing is actually very similar to Kennett’s move on urban local government in Melbourne, albeit for different reasons; it’s not a shallow comparison at all. I find it amusing that conservatives are simultaneously cheering Howard’s intervention in the states but cursing because the Beattie state regime is intervening in local government.

From There is a storm brewing in the sunshine state, 2007/08/11 at 5:10 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Good luck with the tests, Iain. Will your car be licensed for street use at some stage? And what are your plans for it, competition or just casual motoring (it’s not a family vehicle by the looks of it.)

From Time for Testing, 2007/08/11 at 5:12 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Yes, it is another kettle of fish.

The states existed first and at federation agreed to cede some power to a national government; states’ rights are enshrined in the constitution. The Howard government has continually disregarded, manipulated and overridden the states, usually for his own political ends.

Local government is a political construct of state legislatures which is primarily designed to deliver services. If a state government sees the need to reform or restructure local government, there is no legal or constitutional obstacles to it doing so.

From There is a storm brewing in the sunshine state, 2007/08/11 at 9:05 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

I don’t know why you have Hap on your moderated list, although I don’t always agree with his posts I have never seen him abuse or insult anyone.

For what it’s worth, I agree with you Iain that Labor has been less “consistent” than the government about the war in Iraq. But that is the nature of being in opposition: you can support a policy at first (as there was bipartisan support for Iraq under Beasley) then, if it fails, you can change tack and use it against the government. Remember the Liberal Party flip-flopping on the GST? First they were, then they weren’t, then they weren’t sure, then before the 1996 election they weren’t, but then they introduced it straight after.

From Dear John…, 2007/08/12 at 11:26 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Iain, I am no expert on the situation in Queensland but I have had enough involvement with local governments to know that they are havens of wastefulness, inefficiency and petty corruption. I’m not sure about where you live but here in my town we pay exorbitant rates for nothing more than having the rubbish collected on a weekly basis, while councillors fly off on ’study trips’ abroad and the mayor drives a publicly-leased BMW. Being elected has nothing to do with it; representatives will milk the system more than bureaucrats.

Now I might just go read up on Beattie’s motives and if I find he is attempting to trim the fat from local government expenditure and to make services more cost efficient, I will be a long way towards supporting his changes.

From There is a storm brewing in the sunshine state, 2007/08/12 at 11:33 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Iain, I am no expert on the situation in Queensland but I have had enough involvement with local governments to know that they are havens of wastefulness, inefficiency and petty corruption. I’m not sure about where you live but here in my town we pay exorbitant rates for nothing more than having the rubbish collected on a weekly basis, while councillors fly off on ’study trips’ abroad and the mayor drives a publicly-leased BMW. Being elected has nothing to do with it; representatives will milk the system more than bureaucrats.

Now I might just go read up on Beattie’s motives and if I find he is attempting to trim the fat from local government expenditure and to make services more cost efficient, I will be a long way towards supporting his changes.

From There is a storm brewing in the sunshine state, 2007/08/12 at 11:33 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

MK, do you have any purpose in your life or creative thoughts in your head that isn’t directed at thwarting evil lefties? Did a big bad commie bully you at primary school or something?

Iain, I am not opposed to nuclear power and I have no problem with selling yellowcake to these countries, provided that we can ensure they don’t use it in weapons. But non-proliferation is hardly a left-wing cause. Isn’t the current US Republican president talking tough on Iran because of it obtaining “new-cullear” weapons?

From Hari Om, 2007/08/15 at 2:10 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.26

MK is depriving a village somewhere of its idiot.

From From The National Press Club, 2007/08/16 at 5:29 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.26

Play nice please
Fuck off Iain. MK drops in here randomly and does nothing but insult people – yet you say and do nothing.

From From The National Press Club, 2007/08/16 at 6:30 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.26

Actually I take that back. Sorry for swearing, I’ve had a long and hectic day. You can “piss off” instead.

From From The National Press Club, 2007/08/16 at 6:31 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.26

The only “qualitative difference” I see is that (a) MK is your little buddy, and (b) his political views align with your own. Hence you tolerate this muppet. I bet your response would be different if some joker started drop in to slag off conservatives (much like your attitude towards spelling mistakes seems to have some flexibility.)

From From The National Press Club, 2007/08/16 at 7:05 PM

W &W 3

1 Aug

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

So Haneef has all charges dropped because there basically appears to be no case – but you say he is probably still guilty and the system has failed. And yet you applaud the system when a Queensland policeman is acquitted, even though he admitted rough contact with a prisoner who later died? I like your bend-and-stretch approach to justice, Iain. Have you ever thought about a job in the AFP?

From Dancing in the wrong dance, 2007/07/28 at 11:09 AM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

The case was flawed from the start Iain. He gave a SIM card to a relative-housemate, a perfectly understandable act. There is no evidence whatsoever that he did so with the intention that it would be used in the commission of a terrorist act. If you lend your brother a crowbar and he uses it to burglarise your local department store, does that make you guilty of recklessness or of being an accessory before the fact? Only if it can be proven that you knew what the crowbar would be used for.

Let’s cut to the chase. You want to believe Haneef is guilty because it validates your world-view: that evil Mooslims are threatening our way of life, that terrorists are all around us, and that draconian anti-terror measures are justified. But that’s OK, the Coalition and their dogsbodies in the AFP (now exposed as a politically geared, over-reactive laughing stock) think similarly, so you’re not alone.

From Dancing in the wrong dance, 2007/07/28 at 3:34 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

I am only morally relativistic about one ‘terrorist’ group (the ANC’s militant wing under Mandela) and that’s because the regime and the ideology they were attacking was more abhorrent than their own. No sympathy for the IRA though because although they generally focussed on military and political targets, they didn’t care if there was a consequent impact on civilians.

From Aum Shinrikyo, 2007/07/28 at 3:41 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

“…we can only hope that in future if it is decided to prosecute some one for terrorism associations that the case is more substantial…”

Good to see you acknowledge that there was very little of a case against him in the first place.

From Fly away Home, 2007/07/29 at 11:51 AM
Iain, I guess schizophrenic mice would just come into your house and tell how your poorly the world is treating them.

From Schizophrenic Mice?, 2007/07/29 at 8:22 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Perhaps that is because you are some strung out Junkie who wants them to freely produce heroin for you?

The UN reports that Afghani opium farmers are now producing as much opium as ever, with the complicitity of the government. The current regime would therefore be supported by any junkie who is well-informed (or at least better informed than Iain).

From Aum Shinrikyo, 2007/07/30 at 3:46 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

We know why Haneef’s visa cancellation was maintained: because reinstating it would put him into public circulation, where the media would quickly snaffle him up and both the government and the AFP would come under increased scrutiny. The government is now in shutdown mode about this whole business, to avoid embarrasment for its politicisation of a criminal investigation. Meanwhile Iain, despite admitting that the case against Haneef was insubstantial, implies that he might’ve been guilty because he looked too nice. Sheesh.

From Fly away Home, 2007/07/30 at 3:53 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Because on face value that’s what seems to be happening. And the government has produced no evidence to convince me otherwise. Unlike you I don’t swallow the oh-well-there-must-be-more-to-this-than-meets-the-eye line; government is meant to be open, honest and accountable, even when it comes to national security.

In any case, Iain, you make plenty of unsubstantiated claims yourself, e.g. thousands of blood-thirsty Jihadists at the door. Right before you duck out of the thread, never to return.

From Fly away Home, 2007/07/30 at 6:04 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

“happens” = happening (no bloody preview facility)

From Fly away Home, 2007/07/30 at 6:04 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

So there is no reason that my suspicion that there could very well be something more sinister behind the smiling façade of the good doctor is just as good as your claim to the contrary…

There’s a damn good reason – it’s called the presumption of innocence. And unless they produce a smoking gun that shows Haneef rode into town on a camel strapped with gelignite, I’m not too interested in what the AFP have to say tomorrow. My guess is that’ll be self-serving and critical of the media. But time will tell.

PS. Thanks for fixing the error.

From Fly away Home, 2007/07/30 at 7:56 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Now it clearly suits your own political agenda to envision the man as a paragon of virtue who is as pure as the driven snow.

Iain, you’re doing what you always do when flailing around on the losing end of an argument: building straw-men and painting it as a left-right political issue when it’s not. I never said Haneef was a “paragon of virtue”, just that he is entitled to the presumption of innocence. Your problem is that you desperately want him to be guilty because it validates your own world-view. And citing body language ‘experts’ on tabloid TV shows (it was “A Current Affair”, by the way, not “Sixty Minutes” ;) well, that’s just pathetic.

From Fly away Home, 2007/07/31 at 4:35 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Iain, you should watch out. If you go into this online worlds you might be a target, given your rage against the evil Jihadists. I wouldn’t like to see you get virtually shot.

From Virtual Terrorists, 2007/07/31 at 4:38 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

You trust figures from the U N ? that is sad.

Well I don’t wholly trust any figures, but I’ll trust UN reports long before I trust rhetoric-prone bloggers.

From Aum Shinrikyo, 2007/07/31 at 4:47 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

I teach English, I’m well aware of the meaning. Although in hindsight maybe ‘frantic hyperbole’ might have been more apt.

From Aum Shinrikyo, 2007/07/31 at 6:39 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

I had more than a feeling that you were a teacher
You did? You must’ve sussed my .edu.au e-mail address, you cunning devil.

nonetheless I reject your suggestion that my writing is either “frantic” or laden with hyperbole
Well most of it isn’t, and some if it is quite good. But when you start carrying on about the hordes of evil Jihadists wanting to destroy us all, or the supporters of the theory of global warming belong to a religious cult, I’m afraid you sound a lot less lucid and convincing than you think.

From Aum Shinrikyo, 2007/08/01 at 2:29 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Sorry Iain, it just looks like another thinly-veiled hate site to me. At least your previous ‘blogs of the month’ had some substance. This one is just vindictive and silly.

From Blog of the month for August, 2007/08/02 at 5:11 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Probably because it’s a religious requirement both in Islam and Judaism that livestock be slaughtered a certain way. You’re not the first person to feign indignation over this, Nazi propaganda used kosher slaughter to portray the Jews as callous and blood-thirsty.

It seems you frequent McDonald’s, Iain, well I hope you don’t ever order their chicken products because their method of poultry slaughter is questionable to say the least.

From Halal or Kosher slaughter, 2007/08/04 at 9:25 AM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.152

Because you have said you go there, of course!

From Halal or Kosher slaughter, 2007/08/04 at 1:43 PM

Wit and wisdom 2

1 Aug

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.96.136

Hap is right. Much as anyone who drives explosive-laden vehicles into buildings is warped, gloating and celebrating over their injuries makes you sound more like one of them than you probably realise. The courts will deal with these madmen, and rightly so. We should restrain our dancing until the verdict’s in, particularly in the case of those not arrested at the scene (police and intelligence agencies not having a perfect track record in this regard.)

From Seven arrests, 2007/07/03 at 11:57 AM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.96.135

A “perfect record” in stopping attacks. Their record in correctly identifying individual terrorists is not so pure, as one dead Brazilian and several others wrongfully arrested can attest to. That’s why we have a justice system, and much as terrorists disregard Western justice, they should still be subject to it.

KG, while I acknowledge there’s a certain irony in a wannabe suicide bomber setting himself aflame, nevertheless it’s not a fate I would wish on anyone. Perhaps I lack your bloodlust but personally I would rather see the bastard rot in a cell.

From Seven arrests, 2007/07/03 at 5:41 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.96.135

Keith, no, probably not. But weak sentencing is a separate issue from retaliatory violence.

Elijah, both your posts to this thread have been nothing more than weak-minded insults. I’m sorry you don’t feel equipped to make more of a rational contribution at this point.

From Seven arrests, 2007/07/03 at 6:32 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.96.135

But aren’t neo-Nazis of the Left themselves? Or has that changed again now?

From Seven arrests, 2007/07/04 at 10:33 AM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.96.135

Hard to tell that from Brett’s comment. He seemed to think the Left would be angry about neo-Nazi violence, implying that neo-Nazis are of the Right. Which is the conventional view amongst anyone who hasn’t tried to engage in some perverse kind of historical revisionism.

For the record, if neo-Nazis did firebomb a mosque, I’d condemn it because it is an act of violence, but not because it was a mosque.

From Seven arrests, 2007/07/04 at 12:38 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.96.135

Imagine the response of the left if it were neo-Nazi skin heads ramming Mercedes bombs into Mosques.

That’s what you said, and we both know what you meant.

From Seven arrests, 2007/07/04 at 1:06 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.96.135

Sure Iain is a stubborn bastard who is ideologically fixed and doesn’t change his mind. But that describes 99% of bloggers. From what I can tell he’s more polite and tolerant than other bloggers on the far right and left (including some of the frequent commenters here).
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Anyway Iain, I’m wondering if you will post soon about Bush commutating Libby’s prison sentence; or Brendan Nelson’s admission that oil was a significant factor in the Iraq war? The Islam-is-bad stuff is getting a bit boring and I’d like to see how you respond to more challenging issues ;)

From Seven arrests, 2007/07/05 at 1:04 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.96.135

Thanks Iain. Your mate Mr Lefty reckons theres no place in a modern society for presidents pardoning criminals and I tend to agree. We have due process and courts of appeal and that should be enough. As for the Iraq war, well I think anyone with any brains has known all along that it was about oil.

From As Requested…, 2007/07/05 at 7:29 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.96.135

Windschuttle’s rationale is pretty simple to understand. He only accepts murders and violent deaths which can be verified by a certain standard of evidence; there are very few government records about such deaths; and most Tasmanian settlers were good Christians and would never purposefully engage in killing. It all seems quite specious, as though he’s concocting a method to fit his ideological viewpoint.

On the flip side, it’s true that some left-leaning historians have recounted killings and massacres with flimsy, dubious or conflated evidence. The indigenous were vermin to be cleared from the land, either with bullets or biologically-infected blankets. Thousands died in this genocide, which was near systematic in the way it was conducted.

Neither sits too well with me. If the settlement of Tasmania matches the other examples of imperial conquests then I’m sure more than 120 natives were killed. But the British were not the most bloodthirsty colonisers of the period so the claims of a Tasmanian holocaust also seem rather excessive.

From Brain stimulation, 2007/07/06 at 11:19 AM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.12

Look out, reader, kg has learned to Google ‘quotes + consistency’

From Aum Shinrikyo, 2007/07/22 at 12:55 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.12

Yeah but I prefer the honesty of just telling someone they deserve a .762 shell in the temple. Tells the world more about you than this faux-intellectual stuff.

From Aum Shinrikyo, 2007/07/22 at 2:19 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.12

Saying that someone with multiple degrees is probably “useless” in the real world is a fatuous generalisation. There are some incredibly smart people with and without degrees; there are socially inept, vocationally incompetent toerags with and without degrees. A degree is a significant achievement but it shouldn’t be used to either grandstand yourself or to denigrate others. Thus ends the Sermon according to Mark.

From Mr Stodgy’s day out, 2007/07/22 at 10:50 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.12

Where’s the whining leftist, MK? Or are you scared of the shadows again?

From Aum Shinrikyo, 2007/07/23 at 4:24 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.12

So if you’re a “sad, miserable lefty” it’s because you don’t have a shed? Fair dinkum, Iain, this is one of the silliest things you’ve written. I bet John Howard, Peter Costello, Rupert Murdoch etc. don’t have sheds.

Mind you I do like the picture and I wonder if the real value of a shed is being able to hide from a nagging wife.

From All Murmansk boys need a shed, 2007/07/25 at 2:36 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.12

I wonder where they hide the porn in Murmansk?

From All Murmansk boys need a shed, 2007/07/25 at 4:26 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.12

Yeah but you do so much whinging about “lefties” that it’s difficult to tell when are are being sarcastic.

From All Murmansk boys need a shed, 2007/07/25 at 6:00 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.12

So does that one.

From All Murmansk boys need a shed, 2007/07/25 at 6:27 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.12

I used to believe there was a limit to the amount of bullshit a single person could produce, but MK is doing his best to disprove that theory.

From All Murmansk boys need a shed, 2007/07/25 at 8:22 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.12

Just out of curiosity, MK, did a “lefty” once steal your girlfriend? Or burn down your shed perhaps..?

From All Murmansk boys need a shed, 2007/07/25 at 8:22 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.12

When desperate, the leftist always seems to reach for some example that allows them to play the moral relativism card.

You seem to have been hanging around MK too much, Iain, you’re starting to sound as deranged as he is. SM wasn’t being morally relativistic, he was just pondering why certain terrorist movements don’t get the press than the Islamo-nutters do. And it’s a fair point too.

From Aum Shinrikyo, 2007/07/27 at 4:21 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.99.12

You’re building straw blokes again, Iain. Moral relativism is when you suggest that terrorism is justified or that some terrorists are better or worse than others. That’s not what SM was doing at all.

Any evidence you can provide that there are “thousands” of Muslim terrorists? If we tally up those who have either committed or been proved to have planned terrorism, we’d be into three figures but probably only just. Not that I think your claim is necessarily wrong, I’m just wary of hyperbolic exaggeration.

From Aum Shinrikyo, 2007/07/27 at 6:16 PM

Wit and wisdom 1

1 Aug

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.97.92

Get a grip, Elijah, you have little understanding of what you’re discussing. Nazi economists did not “nationalise” the economy. Almost all businesses in Nazi Germany remained privately owned, including Krupp and Rheinmetall, which you falsely claim were owned by the state. Then you argue that you don’t have to have or claim the support of the workers to be socialist, which is a ridiculous suggestion. Nazism and fascism are right-wing totalitarian regmies, the mirror image of left-wing totalitarian regimes, despite your deceitful line of argument and Iain’s unthinking acceptance of it.

From For Hap and any other leftists out there, 2007/05/21 at 3:54 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.97.92

Brett, I’m afraid that’s mostly baloney. German industrialists retained considerable control over what they produced and how they produced it. Reich economics did not involve mass nationalisation of industry; most businesses remained privately-owned and profits flowed back to owners and shareholders, not the state (the case of Oskar Schindler is a fair example of how this worked). If you wanted your company to receive lucrative state contracts (or, in some cases, to benefit from slave labour) then you did the government’s bidding. However that’s regulation by incentive and disincentive, not by coercion or nationalisation. Nazi policy had more in common with Keynesian economics than with any brand of socialist economics, all of which have managed economics and the abolition of private capital as their central tenet.

From For Hap and any other leftists out there, 2007/05/21 at 5:21 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.97.92

WTF??? You spit on the graves of all who died at the WTC with such a comparison.

Over 3,000 were killed during the Chilean coup of 9/11/73; and a further 30-40,000 disappeared or were killed extra-legally under the subsequent Pinochet regime. I think you just spat on an awful lot of graves – although I guess to you American lives are worth more Chilean ones.

From For Hap and any other leftists out there, 2007/05/21 at 7:15 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.97.92

Yes a coup is “somewhat different” than hijacking and crashing aircraft – but is it worthy of less commemoration, which is what you implied? I would suggest that a coup that overthrows a democratically elected government and replaces it with a murderous militaristic junta is somewhat worse than a terrorist attack, because for Chileans the killing didn’t end at about 10.30am on their 9/11.

From For Hap and any other leftists out there, 2007/05/21 at 7:48 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.97.92

Forgot to ask… was Pinochet a socialist too?

From For Hap and any other leftists out there, 2007/05/21 at 7:49 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.97.92

Elijah, I don’t dispute most of that. Comparing Nazism with communism (or rather Stalinism or Maoism, which are its 20th century manifestations) brings up several political and organisational similarities. The transformative motive you mention above is one of them. The debate above concerns economic aspects, which I maintain were fundamentally different because Nazism, though it regulated the economy to some extent, did not remove capital or property from private ownership.

From For Hap and any other leftists out there, 2007/05/21 at 8:01 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.97.92

Iain, you claim that post-modernism has “tricked down” into schools. Steve is a teacher and says there’s little or no post-modernist theory involved in teaching children. I’m also a teacher and I agree with his comments. Given that we work in schools and you do not, can you enlighten us as to your expertise and experience in education?

From “The post-everythingists”, 2007/05/23 at 9:55 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.98.40

So if one of your kids needed a kidney, liver or heart transplant to survive, you’d have ethical doubts about signing the consent form?

From Hoax, 2007/06/03 at 7:05 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.98.40

Good point. We should stop trading with China in protest.

From Hoax, 2007/06/03 at 8:25 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.98.40

Given that my children are both in robust good health there is very little likely hood that they would be in such a situation however I would still not just automatically sign the consent form without a great deal of thought and consideration

The current health of your children is irrelevant to this scenario. I put to you, Iain, that if an organ transplant was the only difference between one of your children living and dying, you’d sign the form in a heartbeat. I don’t know of many parents who wouldn’t, Jehovah’s Witnesses not withstanding. Your use of a Greek myth as an analogy for transplants is rather peculiar too, given that you claim to be an atheist.

From Hoax, 2007/06/04 at 2:59 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.98.40

No Iain, I don’t know you. But I have read your previous trumpeting about how you are a parent, how it changes your perspective, and why this better-places you to judge certain matters than those who don’t have children. I am a parent and if my child’s life was in danger, I would not navel-gaze on matters of ethics. I doubt you would either, even though you’ve dodged the question.

From Hoax, 2007/06/04 at 9:01 PM
Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.98.40

I’m not projecting anything. It’s easy to have high principles and strong ethics when you’re postulating on a blog or discussing the hypothetical, Iain. When the situation suddenly becomes dangerously real, those fancy ideas tend to disappear out the window. Trust me, I have experienced it.

From Hoax, 2007/06/05 at 7:18 AM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.97.120

They’re both victims, Steve in their own ways.

Yeah, except one is dead and one is not. I know which kind of victim I’d prefer to be.

From Too Right!!!, 2007/06/21 at 4:08 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.97.120

You missed the point being made, kg. But that’s not really a surprise.

From Too Right!!!, 2007/06/21 at 6:33 PM

Mark L.
ml@girton.vic.edu.au | 124.191.96.136

The high death toll for motorcyclists can be easily explained: a sizeable number of them are dickheads and treat public roads like their own private speedway. There’s no mystery to it.

From No But,Yeah But…, 2007/06/24 at 2:34 PM

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